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Posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:21 PM PDT by Full Court
If I read the article correctly, Mr. Graham doesn't say he does not believe Hell exist. He believes that the fiery torment may not refer to actual fire, but be a parallel to the agony of Hell.
Do you think only the physical is real?
Hi! I see you're up late too.
It seems to me that most everything that could be said has been said.
Superbly stated. I have to tell you: These revelations shocked me. I don't suppose I've ever paid any attention to any of his interviews, and my take on his sermons was always that they were straight from the Bible. Sad and disturbing to learn these things.
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(In an interview with McCall’s magazine, January 1978, entitled “I Can’t Play God Any More,” Graham said: “I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost—were going to hell—if they did not have the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. I no longer believe that. … I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God—through nature, for instance—and plenty of other opportunities, therefore, of saying ‘yes’ to God.” )
Romans 1:20 tells us there are.
See my post 997.
Or do interviews not count?
And do you recall the words of Jesus wherein he told the Pharisees that if they were truly blind, that their sin would not remain? Was Jesus preaching a false gospel?
My friend, the Pharisees rejected a clear miracle that they saw (Jn.9) the healing of the blind man.
The blind man, after he saw, believed on the Lord (Jn.9:38), while the Pharisee's who had vision, were still spiritually blind.
Jesus said it. If belief was an absolute necessity, then children who die would go to hell. God dispenses both justice and mercy at his pleasure and men will be judged according to the light they were given. If they receive no light, then one may conclude that they would fall into the blind category.
What Billy Graham is being held accountable to is the heresy of Universalism, that one can be saved without explicitly believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.
That is in rejection of both Jn.14:6 and Rom.10:17.
How are babies who die saved?
If they were truly blind, they would not have seen the miracle.
Remember, that Jews were being shown signs and the blind man who was healed stated to the Pharisees that Christ did something that only a man of God can do, open the eyes of the blind. (vs.32-33)
Jesus said it. If belief was an absolute necessity, then children who die would go to hell. God dispenses both justice and mercy at his pleasure and men will be judged according to the light they were given. If they receive no light, then one may conclude that they would fall into the blind category.
Holy cow!
Are you kidding!
Belief in Christ is the only way to salvation (Rom.5:1)
Children are saved because they never have a chance to reject Christ and therefore cannot be condemned (Jn.16:9).
As for the heathen, they have a chance to receive Christ, if they respond to God in what He reveals about Himself through nature. (Ps.19, Rom.1).
If they reject God at that point, no more revelation is given, if they want more truth, the Gospel will be given to them in some way.
God wants all men to be saved, and will give them as much truth as man responds positively to.
As for the Pharisees, they rejected the truth shown to them and were damned for it.
So do you admit that Billy Graham does believe in Univeralism?
As, it seems, you do to?
Yeah, I shouldn't be on this thread, it's just flamebait.
I guess the idea that the previous Pope might not actually be roasting in Hell is pure heresy. Who knew? :-/
By not being able to reject Christ they are not condemned for it.
The same goes for the mentally retarded as well.
Thus, God is free to impute His righteouness to them since they did not reject the free gift of salvation.(Jn.16:9).
That is why the Heathen have no excuse, since the reject what God has clearly shown of Himself and turn away from Him and do not seek anymore truth.
Right. Which puts you in the same universalist category as Graham. It is possible for a heathen to be saved. He can accept God's grace without knowing exactly what it is he is accepting or he can be utterly blind to the light that might be shown to others through imbicility or incompetence or God's grace.
Universalism is the belief that all men will ultimately be saved. Graham does not preach that. If you claim that Graham preaches a false gospel over this single statement, then you might as well accuse me of preaching a false gospel.
This thread is a disgrace. It is sad that you have joined in the stone thowing. Maybe Graham is an idiot, but he is a Brother. If you want to rebuke him, you should send him a letter. You can send me one too.
The issue is volition.
The child and the mentally retarded cannot make a reasonable decision for Christ.
The heathen does not have that excuse.
The heathen must respond to the grace given to him and then respond to the Gospel (Rom.10:17).
Even Jonah had to be sent to Ninevah to urge it to repent.
You cannot just ignore scripture when it suits you, as Univeralism does.
What Univeralism does is reject the power of God, to get those who want it the Gospel.
That is why missions are sent out.
If the heathen get saved without the Gospel, why bother with missionary activity?
Universalism is the belief that all men will ultimately be saved. Graham does not preach that. If you claim that Graham preaches a false gospel over this single statement, then you might as well accuse me of preaching a false gospel.
If you preach that a man can get saved without believing in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes, you are preaching a false gospel.
And that is exactly what Billy Graham stated in those interviews.
Another poster had an earlier one listed as well.
This thread is a disgrace. It is sad that you have joined in the stone thowing. Maybe Graham is an idiot, but he is a Brother. If you want to rebuke him, you should send him a letter. You can send me one too.
Billy Graham has been rebuked time and time again by Christians.
He has ignored the rebukes.
Now, if you believe the same lie he does, that one can be saved without confessing the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that is your problem.
The issue of those who cannot make a decision, such as children, can be dealt with without compromising the Gospel.
As for the thread being a disgrace, why is that?
If what is reported is what Billy Graham really believes, then no one should be upset by revealing it.
You are 100% right. They are not condemned for not professing Christ as Lord and Savior.
They are condemned for their sin. Read Romans Chapter One.
It states that the wrath of God is revealed against all unrighteousness and ungodliness.
Having first rejected the truth that God has revealed to them.
That is why they are without excuse.
They remain in their sin (being dead) and will stand at the Great White Throne Judgement and be judged for their works which cannot save them.
Glad to read it.
Believing The Bible is a good thing.
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