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To: fortheDeclaration; xzins; Corin Stormhands
By not being able to reject Christ they are not condemned for it.

Right. Which puts you in the same universalist category as Graham. It is possible for a heathen to be saved. He can accept God's grace without knowing exactly what it is he is accepting or he can be utterly blind to the light that might be shown to others through imbicility or incompetence or God's grace.

Universalism is the belief that all men will ultimately be saved. Graham does not preach that. If you claim that Graham preaches a false gospel over this single statement, then you might as well accuse me of preaching a false gospel.

This thread is a disgrace. It is sad that you have joined in the stone thowing. Maybe Graham is an idiot, but he is a Brother. If you want to rebuke him, you should send him a letter. You can send me one too.

1,015 posted on 04/28/2006 12:06:56 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: P-Marlowe
By not being able to reject Christ they are not condemned for it. Right. Which puts you in the same universalist category as Graham. It is possible for a heathen to be saved. He can accept God's grace without knowing exactly what it is he is accepting or he can be utterly blind to the light that might be shown to others through imbicility or incompetence or God's grace.

The issue is volition.

The child and the mentally retarded cannot make a reasonable decision for Christ.

The heathen does not have that excuse.

The heathen must respond to the grace given to him and then respond to the Gospel (Rom.10:17).

Even Jonah had to be sent to Ninevah to urge it to repent.

You cannot just ignore scripture when it suits you, as Univeralism does.

What Univeralism does is reject the power of God, to get those who want it the Gospel.

That is why missions are sent out.

If the heathen get saved without the Gospel, why bother with missionary activity?

Universalism is the belief that all men will ultimately be saved. Graham does not preach that. If you claim that Graham preaches a false gospel over this single statement, then you might as well accuse me of preaching a false gospel.

If you preach that a man can get saved without believing in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, yes, you are preaching a false gospel.

And that is exactly what Billy Graham stated in those interviews.

Another poster had an earlier one listed as well.

This thread is a disgrace. It is sad that you have joined in the stone thowing. Maybe Graham is an idiot, but he is a Brother. If you want to rebuke him, you should send him a letter. You can send me one too.

Billy Graham has been rebuked time and time again by Christians.

He has ignored the rebukes.

Now, if you believe the same lie he does, that one can be saved without confessing the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that is your problem.

The issue of those who cannot make a decision, such as children, can be dealt with without compromising the Gospel.

As for the thread being a disgrace, why is that?

If what is reported is what Billy Graham really believes, then no one should be upset by revealing it.

1,016 posted on 04/28/2006 12:41:59 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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Through GOD all things are possible. Billy Graham is counting not on mans works but GOD's to bring the heathen to Christ or give them the Gospel. Their understanding may only be that of a child though. The question in my mind which resolves this issue is can Christ indeed reveal Himself to the heathen and can the Holy Spirit teach them even where man has not preached the Gospel? I think the answer is definitely yes. Here we are not talking about going to places man can go or even where Christians can not.

John ch 10 16I have other sheep, too, that are not in this sheepfold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice; and there will be one flock with one shepherd.

It is GOD's wish that none should perish but have everlasting life. This goes against what many mainstream churches preach in these times but I think GOD still calls and works in persons hearts one on one in the same way He called on Abraham. It is not a voice you hear audible but rather a revelation. Indeed it can be happening anywhere to anyone.

If GOD wished to call a person He sees of pure heart from Saudi Arabia where NT teaching is prohibited who are we to say He doesn't. IF they receive that calling and answer it they are as saved as we are. If GOD can save {call out} one such as Lott {whom if you read scripture was really not such a nice person actually} then how much more can he do for others?

There is a mystery man is yet to understand about Christ. He does and will in fact show himself to all persons including the dead so they may either believe or reject Him. After His death on the cross He witnessed to the dead.

Psalms Ch 8 1 O LORD, our LORD, the majesty of your name fills the earth! Your glory is higher than the heavens. 2 You have taught children and nursing infants to give you praise.£

How much more then can he do for man? The key word here is GOD has taught them not man. GOD can at HIS will call out anyone He wishes in any situation. He can give chance for a pagan to repent and indeed a pagan can. At that point the person is no longer a Pagan. Only GOD knows the hearts of men. We all of us are His to call upon. It is not up to us whom GOD chooses call. Some He called on in the Bible and answered Him and obeyed were some of the crudest men known including some of Christ chosen twelve.

I don't count on the judgments of man to bring salvation to those in this world but rather the Grace Of GOD through the Holy Spirit that teaches ones to believe.

1,030 posted on 04/28/2006 6:11:14 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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