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Baptism of adults increasing steadily in France
Catholic News Agency ^ | April 18, 2006

Posted on 04/18/2006 12:41:24 PM PDT by NYer

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To: pravknight
I think you give Louis XVI a bit too much credit in the same way that we, the USA, like to take too much credit for the WWII liberation of France. Both claims are true, of course, but what is false is any insinuation that either case was an act of friendship or benevolence. Who said, "Countries have no friends, only interests?"

But I certainly feel the pull of the deep traditions of la France profond and agree that the revolution was a tragedy. Reforms, had they come along more gradually, would have been wiser and more persistent.

22 posted on 04/18/2006 7:36:04 PM PDT by LK44-40
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I think our church baptizes more than that every year. They need to step up the pace.


23 posted on 04/18/2006 7:37:29 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: pravknight

your ancestor was a bishop? Didn't know bishops were allowed to marry.


25 posted on 04/18/2006 7:48:09 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: NYer

This is good news....and I'm a Protestant saying this.

Apparently the official Roman Catholic Catechism, when it was first available in France in the 1990s, was a major best seller too.

We shouldn't give up on the French. Agnosicism/atheism is too difficult to maintain in the long term--nature herelf abhors a vacuum.


26 posted on 04/18/2006 7:51:30 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Lord Washbourne; NYer

Those numbers are pathetic in light of this info:

Catholic Marriages Down, Adult Baptisms Up in France, Reveals Statistical Guide to Catholic Church

PARIS, FEB. 11, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Less than 50% of French children are baptized and 12% of French Catholics practice their faith, states the 2005 Guide to the Catholic Church in France.

The guide, prepared under the direction of Monsignor Stanislas Lalanne, secretary general of the French episcopal conference, offers statistical data from a survey conducted in March 2003.

According to the study, 372,839 children younger than 7 were baptized in 2001. That same year, there were 774,800 births in the country.

However, an increase was noted in the number of adult baptisms, which numbered 18,826.

Regarding reception of first Communion, 186,586 children made their first Communion in 2001, compared to 260,946 children in 1992.

Of the 295,882 civil marriages that took place in France in 2001, less than half, 118,087 married in the Church, down from 137,567 in 1992. Mixed marriages accounted for 12% of all marriages.

Approximately 62% of the French are Catholic. Of these, 12% practice their religion regularly and 15% sporadically. Also, 6% are Muslim, 2% Protestant and 1% Jewish.

There are currently 24,000 active priests in France. In 2002, 132 new priests were ordained. There are 1,749 deacons, the majority permanent.

France benefits from the service of 9,524 men religious and 46,007 women religious. More than 6,000 French priests, men and women religious and lay people are missionaries in Africa, Latin America and Asia. Some 1,000 foreign priests and over 3,000 foreign nuns carry out their mission in France.

The Catholic Church in France runs 8,719 schools with a combined student body of more than two million. Over 35,000 students attend Catholic institutes of higher learning.

The Church in France collects some 317 million euros ($408 million) annually.




"And on leaving the ship Jesus saw a great crowd, and he was moved with compassion for them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd."

The bishops of France have a lot of work to do. Wonder if EWTN broadcasts there. That would be a good start.


27 posted on 04/19/2006 6:30:47 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: AnalogReigns

No, he was not a direct ancestor, but like a 4or5 great-uncle or something like that.


28 posted on 04/19/2006 6:55:22 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: LK44-40

I think Louis XVI's supply of weapons, money, materiale and soldiers were critical for the American efforts, considering the state of the Continental Army in the late 1770s.

Victory at Yorktown would have been less likely without the aid of the French Royal Navy.


29 posted on 04/19/2006 7:00:00 AM PDT by pravknight (Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
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To: pravknight
What you say is true, but non-responsive. You are contradicting a point that I did not make.

France supported American independence because it suited ~French~ interest, not from some sentimental feeling for America. I do not question the importance of the French role.

31 posted on 04/19/2006 7:40:06 AM PDT by LK44-40
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To: Lord Washbourne

The muslim birthrate would be interesting to know; as compared to practicing Catholics, and both those group birthrates compared to the new pagans. But I was hoping that there would be more conversions from Islam to Christianity in France.

France has 60,000,000 people... and if 6% (some say 9%) are muslim... that makes about 4,000,000 muslims.

The story says 5% of the converts were muslim out of 9,564 adult converts. So less than 500 muslims out of a population of 4,000,000 converted last year. We have to do a lot better than that.



32 posted on 04/19/2006 7:43:49 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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