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To: Hodar
For all your flaming, you aren't very good at reading. This is likely caused by going into a debate with a fixed point of view, and any verified, quantified and qualified dispute (with scriptural references) is not met with due consideration, but as a personal affront. This is not the mark of an intelligent man.

Are we to believe you don't have a fixed point of view?

What exactly makes your assertions "verified, quantified, and qualified"? Dates appended at the end? Impressive!

My dates are when the 'unchanging' Catholic church underwent a substancial 'change'.

I must confess here your vocabulary surpasses mine, since I have no idea at all what "substancial" means. I would have thought it was a misspelling of "substantial", but surely even a moron would know that "The Red hat for the Cardinal" is not substantial. And why exactly is "red" capitalized? Is it a proper name? A reference to Divinity somehow? So much to ponder!

Although the New Testament was made available to the Catholic Church (and ONLY the Catholic Church)

Once again, we hear that four out of five Patriarchates, much like Idaho, never existed. My own Pastor claims to be from Idaho, but then again, he also claims the Council of Nicea happened, and since all those Patriarchates were entirely fictitious, guys like Athanasius and Arius were also fiction; therefore no Council.

Not only that, the Copts, Armenians, Nestorians, Waldensians, Hussites, Lollards: ALL FICTION.

and would remain so for several centuries yet to come, the Catholic church did not adopt one of the central themes of the New Testament until 1003.

The Apostle's Creed ends: "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting."

I'd thought the Apostle's Creed was adopted before 1003, but then if YOU say otherwise...

Doesn't the fact that the only person in existance (the Pope) has an infinite supply of 'grace' from deceased Saints, that he can sell - at will- or dispense as he 'sees fit' to any sinner, for any reason, bother you that it 'might' be used for the Pope's (ie. Church's) personal gain?

I'm not Catholic. I just happen to see some value in knowing what you're talking about.

You know, I've read quite a bit of the New Testament and Old Testament

Quite a bit? Impressive!

268 posted on 04/15/2006 12:03:47 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: A.J.Armitage
First off, my point of view is full of legitimate sources, Jewish, Biblical and historical (ie. Catholic historical records). You have absolutely no sources whatsoever, except for a semi-comedic site where the state of Idaho was not in a census. I fail to see the connection between a census taken now; and the historical actions of the Catholic church. But if it makes sense to you .....

Secondly, if "that four out of five Patriarchates, much like Idaho, never existed.", it sure would be nice to have a source for this bombshell. Which 4? Silly question, where do you suppose the names for these 5 Patriarchates come from? Do you suppose *if* what you are saying is true, they may have originated from the Catholic Church, or is that dis-information by those Methodists?

I have no idea where you pulled this gem from

"Not only that, the Copts, Armenians, Nestorians, Waldensians, Hussites, Lollards: ALL FICTION."

Thirdly, "My Pastor said" is not a source. Sadly not even at the New York Times, anymore

As you do not know the meaning, or could not gather the meaning of the word 'substantial', I'll throw this in for your review
sub·stan·tial ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sb-stnshl) adj.
Of, relating to, or having substance; material.
True or real; not imaginary.
Solidly built; strong.
Ample; sustaining: a substantial breakfast.
Considerable in importance, value, degree, amount, or extent: won by a substantial margin.
Possessing wealth or property; well-to-do.

Again, much like a child; you make claims and allegations that appear from all of your souces, to be completely imaginary. I've been called a 'moron' for a typo; but you have gone to some effort to re-direct each and every point I have addressed.

Address the points, if you can. Attacking me just makes you look foolish. Be clear, up your meds; think and post clearly. Moving forward to a clearly posted observation. The Catholic Church OFFICIALLY adopted the 'forgiveness of transgressions in 1003'. The Apostle's Creed did not come into creation until the mid 700's. My source states
The oldest manuscript with the exact words we now have was written by an abbot named Pirminius. He lived during the time of Charlemagne. In 711, he rebuilt an abbey in Switzerland that had been destroyed in an invasion. Later he became the first abbot of a Benedictine monastery at Reichenau (in modern Germany).

I see you copied and pasted a bit on the subject of Supererogation, do you wish to defend that?

270 posted on 04/15/2006 12:51:56 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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