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Author of Radical Sex Ethics Bokk Issues Challenge to the Religious Right
Yahoo News (PRWEB) ^ | Tue March 21, 2006 | Desmond Ravenstone

Posted on 03/30/2006 10:31:29 AM PST by klossg

(PRWEB) - Boston, MA (PRWEB) March 21, 2006 -- The author of a newly published book on sexual ethics has gone beyond criticizing the “puritanical moralists” of the religious right. He wants to challenge them to face-to-face debates on college campuses and radio programs.

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Desmond Ravenstone wrote “The Principled Libertine: Erotic Ethics for Everyone” (published by Lulu Press) as a response to the viewpoint of social conservatives who want to promote a “traditional” morality on sexual matters.

“When I read their writings or hear one of them speak,” Ravenstone says, “it doesn’t sound at all like an ethical discourse. It sounds like a simplistic set of rules to be imposed from above. If we want a real discussion about sexual ethics in this country, then we need to move beyond whether this or that activity is to be permitted, and start talking about the context in which we express our respective sexualities.”

“The Principled Libertine” is admittedly controversial, defending not only same-sex marriage and the decriminalization of prostitution, but even sadomasochism and non-monogamous relationships. Ravenstone advocates that values such as respect, consent and the enjoyment of pleasure should serve as the basis for deciding what is appropriate and when.

Most importantly, Ravenstone insists that one does not need to be sexually adventurous to share his views. He says he would “like to see a society where the voluntary celibate, the monogamous traditionalist, and the kinky polyamorous bisexual can live side by side, just as teetotalers can live with weekend beer drinkers and connoisseurs of fine wine.”

“People should have the freedom to choose whether, when and how they will explore and express their sexuality,” he asserts in the book’s introduction.

So why challenge members of the religious right to debate the issue? “Because they don’t seek to persuade with facts, but impose by force,” he replies. Ravenstone points to both the crusade against gay rights and same-sex marriage, and the spread of “abstinence-only” sexual education programs in schools as examples.

“It’s one thing if you want to promote puritanical codes within your own spiritual community, and even to propose it as an option. But it’s quite another to enshrine such views as law, as the only option for everyone. When you rob people of choice, you make ethics impossible.”

Desmond Ravenstone has written other books, both nonfiction and erotic fiction, and coordinates educational programs for an alternative sexuality group in New England.

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Hoping Christopher West answers this guys call! Theology of the Body is not Puritanical (as some in the Religous Right) but the conclusions are similar and ToB would win make this guy look like a psycho.
1 posted on 03/30/2006 10:31:31 AM PST by klossg
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2 posted on 03/30/2006 10:32:06 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

The good Pope Benedict XVI has guys like this for breakfast.


3 posted on 03/30/2006 10:32:45 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: klossg

I don't think I'll be reading this commies bokk.


4 posted on 03/30/2006 10:33:38 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: klossg

And apparently a challenge to traditional spelling.


5 posted on 03/30/2006 10:34:44 AM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: lastchance
"He says he would “like to see a society where the voluntary celibate, the monogamous traditionalist, and the kinky polyamorous bisexual can live side by side, just as teetotalers can live with weekend beer drinkers and connoisseurs of fine wine."

We've got that now. What more does he want?

Our approval?

6 posted on 03/30/2006 10:35:46 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Good Sex: a constitutive element of a Good Sacrament)
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To: klossg
“People should have the freedom to choose whether, when and how they will explore and express their sexuality,” he asserts in the book’s introduction.

Sounds like one of those perverts who wants to have his way with little children or something by somehow lowering the consent age so they can.

No need to debate such perverted and warped thinking if that is anywhere close to the mark. The only debate he would be getting form me if he tried to push such an agenda on any of mine or the grandchildren would be coming out of the business end of one of those horrible instrumentations of the second amendment.

7 posted on 03/30/2006 10:37:03 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: nickcarraway

funny but that is how they spelled it everywhere I've seen it. Is this an alternate spelling I don't know about yet? I'd lokk it up but I can't find the bokk itself.


8 posted on 03/30/2006 10:38:01 AM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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So why challenge members of the religious right to debate the issue? “Because they don’t seek to persuade with facts, but impose by force,” he replies.

Yeah, the government sponsored Morality Police need to stop breaking into people's homes and billy-clubbing the ones they find having sex. Oh, wait, that's not America that does that...

9 posted on 03/30/2006 10:39:57 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: klossg
It sounds like a simplistic set of rules to be imposed from above.

Oh, please. My morals are probably closer to this guy's ideal (closER, not close) than to that of hardcore Christians, and no one has ever "imposed" their "rules" on me from above.

Blah blah, the sky is falling. Just make your points, and if they are legit, they will stand or fall on their own, enough with the hysterics.

10 posted on 03/30/2006 10:56:00 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (No respect for conservatives? That's free speech. No respect for liberals? That's hate speech.)
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To: Jeff Head

Adults are free to do any legal sexual activity in the privacy of their homes without being bothered. They encounter problems when they bring their adult sex out of their bedrooms and into the public square.


11 posted on 03/30/2006 11:01:48 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: klossg
Ravenstone advocates that values such as respect, consent and the enjoyment of pleasure should serve as the basis for deciding what is appropriate and when.

That doesn’t sound at all like an ethical discourse. It sounds like a simplistic set of rules to be imposed from below.

12 posted on 03/30/2006 11:05:57 AM PST by wideawake
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To: klossg
Sounds like he's done what many before him have already tried; take God out of the equation. This is the fundamental plank on which all of his subsequent arguments will depend.

Once accomplished, we then all sit around a table and make up our own rules on what is "moral" based on some sort of quasi-consensus.

It's a view of the world which says that the moral law was not handed down from above. We make it up ourselves depending on what's fashionable, popular, relevant, or pleasureable. Thus, the new "god" and the only real standard becomes consent. As long as two people agree on something, then it's moral.

13 posted on 03/30/2006 11:36:04 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: klossg

I wonder if this'll be one of those "$1000 to the guy who can prove helicentrism" challenges, where nobody seems to meet the challenger's standards.


14 posted on 03/30/2006 11:43:44 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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If we want a real discussion about sexual ethics in this country, then we need to move beyond whether this or that activity is to be permitted, and start talking about the context in which we express our respective sexualities.”

It is merely a case where the challenger defines the debate in terms that presume he has already won it.

15 posted on 03/30/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by annalex
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People should have the freedom to choose whether, when and how they will explore and express their sexuality.

Would anyone argue that we don't have the freedom to do this? Free will is the goodness of God! Try to educate someone about the goodness of their body and sex and they act like you want to take away their freedom.

It makes me sense fear and pain in their understanding of sexuality.
16 posted on 03/30/2006 12:04:27 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg

Actually, I think there are a lot of rational arguments in favor of sexual self-control, e.g., not to be ruled by one's passions but to be more fully human and in control, able to function with reason and compassion and not just be a slave to sexual desires, etc. I also think that there is nothing wrong with being a Puritan -- I'm quite proud of my Puritan ancestors and the New England that they built, sadly decayed in these latter days of Christian apostasy.


17 posted on 03/30/2006 12:07:14 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: klossg
“Because they don’t seek to persuade with facts, but impose by force,” he replies.

Well, sure...but so does the Left. Neither major political faction has any monopoly on the desire to control other people's behavior. I'm sure Ravenstone has a hundred ideas on confiscating even a fellow libertine's tax dollars at gunpoint for redistribution to causes he thinks are important. And he no doubt completely fails to see the inherent irony.

18 posted on 03/30/2006 12:09:17 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: klossg
Most importantly, Ravenstone insists that one does not need to be sexually adventurous to share his views. He says he would “like to see a society where the voluntary celibate, the monogamous traditionalist, and the kinky polyamorous bisexual can live side by side, just as teetotalers can live with weekend beer drinkers and connoisseurs of fine wine.”

I haven't read his book, but I seem to agree with him here. Actually, to a large extent, we do live in a society where "the voluntary celibate, the monogamous traditionalist, and the kinky polyamorous bisexual can live side by side." Americans are pretty good at minding their own business, and few people consider it their busines what sexual things consenting adults do behind closed doors.

19 posted on 03/30/2006 12:25:06 PM PST by Potowmack ("In politics, madame, you need two things: friends, but above all an enemy." Brian Mulroney)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Nearly the same end point is reached by Puritan thought and John Paul's Theology of the Body. They just take a different approach. Puritan thought views repression as its ultimate goal, while Theology of the Body views redemption as its ultimate goal. Both have the end of remaining sexually pure and in control of ones passions.

Puritan = cope with misplaced sexual urge via repression.

Catholic / Theology of the Body = redemption of misplaced sexual urge. To direct that energy via grace so as to help the one being tempted to see "true goodness" in the beauty of the other. The "true goodness" that each person is a Child of God deserving only of respect and true love (not use, as an object). (And this must be approached only through fear and trembling and prayer ... not in sheer brute force or trust in self, but in humility and understanding that only through Christ is this redemption possible.
20 posted on 03/30/2006 12:34:31 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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