'Satanic' Art In Catholic Church Exposed

WorldNetDaily ^ | March 25, 2006 | Staff

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Do you have any objective verifiable proof that WND is the equivalent to Jack Chick?

Or are you just going to take opinion over objectiveness and verifiability?

Further, read post #1, and #59. It should tell you plenty concerning the Apostolic Age, the ECF's and Church Tradition concerning giving reverence to religious art/images or what the art/images represent - and that Church Tradition on this is ultimately based upon circular reasoning.

[Iscool]

But I find it ironic that a post cannot be Anti-Semitic but can be Anti-Catholic. That kind of puts us Catholics in our place.

As I understand it, your church makes the claim and takes the position that anyone who is not Catholic, who is not 'sprinkled with blessed holy water', by a 'Priest', can not be a real born again Christian...

And your church makes no secret about their position on this...

So in reality, your church is ANTI-every religion other than it's own...So what are you whining about???

[iluvlucy]

Art is not required in Catholic Churches if that helps you but the lack of it does not cure a thing. Many Protestant sects are adverse to art and suffer many of the ills the Catholics are accused of.

My point being it isn't the art but what resides in the heart of the faithful. To focus on a lack of art as a cure is as much a stroll down wonderland as the obsession with having it.

Right now the tide in the Catholic Church is those who want bear walls tend (do not take this as a guarantee sign of anyone one person) such people tend toward the most liberal and offensive doctrines while those who tend toward the traditional decoration and art are more orthodox and conservative in their doctrine.

Note this is a trend and in another age the reverse may be correct. Nor should this be taken as a sign of any one person, just a trend NOW and specifically in the Catholic Church.

The same could also be said in some Protestant Churches. For example the Episcopalian are going through much the same. Bear walls will cure nothing other than to make a doctrine that is without a sound understanding of Scripture nor of the Church Fathers.

The early Church had art in the Catacombs and that was about as much as they could have managed at the time. There was sculpture in the Temple in Jerusalem and it was prescribed by God. What some heretic in the first few centuries may have said will not change that. Nor will quoting some valid early Father out of context do much to remove this from Scripture.

[iluvlucy]

P.S. If you do not like the art in the Catholic Church do not come. It is not your place to direct and guide a Catholic Church in its ornament nor in its lack of it. I am not telling you how to design your meeting house of worship but if you feel the right to tell us do not be surprised if some of us decide to follow your example.

[jude24]

Do you have any objective verifiable proof that WND is the equivalent to Jack Chick?

This article. Res ipsa loquitur.

[iluvlucy]

"your church makes the claim and takes the position that anyone who is not Catholic, who is not 'sprinkled with blessed holy water', by a 'Priest', can not be a real born again Christian...
And your church makes no secret about their position on this..."

You are incorrect on this. In fact the RCC has excommunicated a Priest for making statement such as the ones you just did. The name of the Priest was Father Fenney, I may not have the spelling correct but he was from the Northeast of the US and worked in the 50s (I think) He was excommunicated (the real thing) but was reunited to the Church when he renounced his heresy. It is to be pitied that he had followers who maintain the same error you assign to the Roman Catholic Church.

There is a doctrine of the Church that says there is no salvation outside the Church. It was made a dogma during the Council of Florence in response to the Great Schism of the Eastern Orthodox. This was more than a few years before Martin Luther wanted to sleep with Nuns outside of marriage (a little dig I admit, but true none the less)

The RCC Teaches there are three types of Baptism, water, desire, blood. And it is not absoluter required to be by a Priest, in fact if a child is dying or anyone for that matter any faithful Christian can do so. I am not sure it is totally necessary they be Catholic (there is much debate on this little item, so don't run off with this one matter. I will not be able to resolve it for anyone. I do not have the authority)

I could go on with the flaws in your post but this is a fair beginning.

One last thing you should consider, if you want to comment on what Catholics believe it would be better if you found a better and more credible teacher because so for they are selling you one pack of ..... let us just say their info is incorrect and leave it at that.

[Full Court]

I mean that there is a strong contingent on FR that I think would be happy to see Catholics treated the way the the Afghans are treating that Christian convert.

That's a very bigoted remark. Why would you even think other Freepers would want Catholics dead????

[Full Court]

I forgot that the KKK was Anti-Catholic! Bet those that come onto the Catholic threads and beat on us are real proud to be of like mind with them.

Do you actually mean to say that people who do not agree with the Catholic Church are racist?

Is that what your religion teaches?

For shame.

[Full Court]

The article didn't bash the catholic church

[Full Court]

Nice try Protestants.

Loyal Catholics made this movie son.

[netmilsmom]

>>Anti-Semitism is murderous hatred and therefore is not in the same league with anti-Catholicism, anti-Mormonism, anti-Scientology, anti-Calvinism, anti-Islam, atheism and so on.<<

Please remember that both the KKK and Nazis treated Catholics and Jews the same way. Catholics were in the Death Camps. This is in modern times.

Looks like murderous hatred to me. Perhaps it would be a good idea to remind posters of this when ANYONE crosses the line with a post.

[netmilsmom]

>>Ad Hominem. Mischaracterization.<<

Nope. Sarcasm.

[netmilsmom]

>>As I understand it, your church makes the claim and takes the position that anyone who is not Catholic, who is not 'sprinkled with blessed holy water', by a 'Priest', can not be a real born again Christian...<<


LOLOLOL!
Prove it.

[netmilsmom]

>> Do you actually mean to say that people who do not agree with the Catholic Church are racist?<<

I'm saying that the KKK hated Catholics.
How can you read racist into the remark when Catholic, last I looked was a religious denomination and not a race?

[Salvation]

**As long as it is not a "churchy" thread and as long as it is not personal, not racist, not anti-Semitic, not violent, not obscene, etc. - I will not pull it.**

Unfortunately, you did not include anti-Catholic..............I don't think you meant to omit Catholics, however. I guess what I am saying that this thread is NOT fair game for anti-Catholic jibes or remarks?? Correct??

[netmilsmom]

>>How have you (netmilsmom) been able to objectively quanitfy the term insult in this case and determine that the title is unsulting Catholics?<<

I didn't. Reread my posts.

[muir_redwoods]

"Could the Roman Catholic Church's sex abuse crisis be tied to embedded Satanic and occult imagery in its artwork - some of it hundred's of years old"

NO

Next question

[netmilsmom]

Shhhhhh, don't confuse anyone with facts....

[Do not dub me shapka broham]

What a load of crap.

This is from an objective, Seattle Times review of this claptrap:

"Rape of the Soul": Seeking to dispel the cigar theory

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar," Sigmund Freud once noted.

But the creators of a new documentary, "Rape of the Soul," see phalluses everywhere — especially in religious paintings, even one that was revered by St. Francis.

"Rape of the Soul," a documentary by Michael A. Calace. 140 minutes. Rated R for sexual references and images. Metro.

Michael A. Calace directed, wrote, produced and stars in the film. He spots subliminal sexual imagery hidden in other paintings, along with demonic trees, "morphed smirking devils" and a fire-breathing dragon that stands on Jesus' shoulder. Sometimes you see what he's talking about; much of the time you don't.

Unfortunately, he never justifies the creation of a 2-hour-and-20-minute movie on the subject.

The mixture of talking heads and still photographs quickly grows monotonous; only the paintings offer some visual relief. Calace's script may suggest the form of a mystery, but it comes across as a presumptuous sermon — filmed, according to narrator Robert Swan, "to heal the many that have suffered from such uninvited violation."

Along the way, Calace and others also discuss Nazi propaganda, predatory priests, child pornography, mass hypnosis, the suspect publications of the Oregon Catholic Press and "the scandals exposed by Silver Sword International" (Calace's production company).

BTW, L-FC, did you even bother to visit the promotional site for this film?

You know, the one that depicts two skeletal corpses sitting on a throne with an upside-down cross etched into it, and wearing traditional liturgical vestments?

[stands2reason]

This is like the "backward masking" and sunliminal messages scare of the 70's. I went to a propaganda showing that "cured" me of rock music for nearly a year when I was in jr high back in the late 70's.

They got me to break my Blondie, Pat Benatar, and Bee Gee records. As if the Bee Gees were Satanists. What a sucker I was.