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Texas Catholic ^ | 3-24-06 | Marty Perry

[Conservative til I die]

Fine. Wouldn't want to accuse people of worshipping vomit mold or anything.

[Conservative til I die]

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. But you're not. Why should I be? There is some truth hidden in that poem.

Don't worry. I'll do you a favor and be ashamed for you. Consider it an act of charity.

[Religion Moderator]

There is a difference between an attack against another poster, personally, and an attack against the group to which he belongs or its doctrine.

[Revelation 911]

The bible is a Catholic book

please elaborate

[Conservative til I die]

There is a difference between an attack against another poster, personally, and an attack against the group to which he belongs or its doctrine.

Believe me, I'm not trying to push the issue, but the Eucharist is the source, center, and summit of the Catholic faith. The consecrated Eucharist is believed to be Christ Himself...literally. It's highly offensive to flippantly refer to it as vomit mold, the way that it's been mocked on this thread. A thread, might I add, where no Catholic was trying to prove this alleged miracle, or using it to prove any other doctrine.

It was just yet another springboard for certain Catholic-haters (and that's all they are at heart) to launch another attack. Just like *every* other Catholic themed thread.

[Conservative til I die]

The bible is a Catholic book please elaborate

More accurately the New Testament is a Catholic book. It was written by Catholics inspired by God, and then collected, debated, and canonized by the Cathoolic Church. There was no such thing as a Protestant until the 1500s.

[Revelation 911]

More accurately the New Testament is a Catholic book. It was written by Catholics inspired by God, and then collected, debated, and canonized by the Cathoolic Church. There was no such thing as a Protestant until the 1500s.

Hmm - as a Prottie Pastor thanks for the edumacation

But you know - I looked all through my Catholic Bible (yes I still use it over the KJV,NIV) and cant find an epistle or letter or gospel to say we need to become Catholic.....everything I see says become a Christian

help me out here will you please and direct me to the verse

[Religion Moderator]

Truly, every confession here (as well as atheism) suffers ridicule and contempt.

The same happened to Christ in His day, but He always responded with love and patience.

Some may say I am expecting too much of the Religion Forum posters, but I do not think so. The nature of the attack and the manner of the response are both testimony for the passers-by.

[Conservative til I die]

But you know - I looked all through my Catholic Bible (yes I still use it over the KJV,NIV) and cant find an epistle or letter or gospel to say we need to become Catholic.....everything I see says become a Christian

I think you are playing a game of "move the goalposts". I'll bite, though. The reason no one was admonished to become "a Catholic" is simply because at the time there was no other Church. One was either a Christian or they weren't. There were no Pentecostals, Anglicans, or Mormons back then. And to be a Christian meant to be Catholic.

Of course, the name "Catholic" is not a brand name for a particular sect. It seems that way now because there are so many sects out there. "Catholic" is an adjective that translates to "universal."

At this point, the debate should rather be "How do we know the original Christian Church was Catholic?"

[Conservative til I die]

Some may say I am expecting too much of the Religion Forum posters, but I do not think so. The nature of the attack and the manner of the response are both testimony for the passers-by.

I agree.

[Dionysiusdecordealcis]

How can an apostate (intentional apostate) intend to do what the Church intends? That is a requirement for validity, along with proper form and proper matter. By very definition a Satanic intent would render it invalid.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What was the miraculous change?

Becky

[wmfights]

"JESUS was very straight forward when he discussed salvation.

If so, then why do we have so many differences of opinion on His teachings, whether Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox Christian?

But yes, you are correct that Jesus was pretty straightforward."
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How do you like that we agree about something. Jesus was pretty straight forward.

I think you see so many denominations within Christianity for several reasons. The pattern seems to be when a church becomes so strong politically and so large as an institution it tends to start teaching and interpreting SCRIPTURE in a manner that benefits the institution. When a church falls into this pitfall there are always going to be those believers who seeking to stay true to the LORD and grow in their Christian walk who will leave the old and form the new.

As a Baptist, I respond to your "transubstantiated" wafer that turned out to be moldy as idolatry because you do bow down and pray to the wafer. I don't "hate" you, and am not "anti-Catholic" I just think your wrong about your transsubstantiated wafer.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You wrote: "What a surprise - The wafer was consecrated, but transubstantiation didn't take place. It's still a wafer."

You evidently don't know what transubstantiation is. It is a threefold miracle: (1) the substance of the bread or wine is gone (2) Christ is entirely present: body, blood, soul and divinity (3) the appearances (physical and chemical properties) remain the same.

That means that a consecrated host --- which is Christ --- can get digested; can get stale; can get moldy. Christ intends to be our food, so getting digested isn't a problem: it's how we receive him bodily. Getting stale or moldy, though, is undesirable because such deterioration interferes with the symbolic value of the appearance of bread as being wholesome, nourishing.

To reiterate: the appearance of bread and wine is symbolic. The presence of Christ is bodily, substantial, and real.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"I say you are fooling yourself into believing that the wafer is physically anything other than a wafer."

The Catholic Church teaches that the consecrated host still has the physical and chemical properties of bread. You apparently didn't realize that. Well, read and learn.

[xzins]

Of course Jesus was human. He called himself the Son of Man.

Hebrews argues that Jesus had to be fully human.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You asked, "You tell me, what does it taste like? Human flesh or baked wheat?"

Tastes like wheat.

And Whom do I receive? Jesus Christ Our Lord.

I know you don't believe this. Fine. In John 6 it says that most of His hearers walked away from Jesus when he said, "Unless you eat my fleshand drink my blood, you do not have life within you." (The whole chapter bears careful reading.)

When the crowds left Him, did He chase after them saying, "Oh, come ON folks, Geez! It's just a metaphor!"?

John 6:66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the Twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?”

[escapefromboston]

LOL.
Sorry but the Bible is Catholic book. You can lie to yourself as much as you want but from a purely historical viewpoint you are incorrect. Though I suspect that you know this but you lie to yourself so you can sleep at night.

[Fintan]

 

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