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To: Thinkin' Gal

I can easily explain God's relationship to Jesus and Jesus' relationship to us with terms straight from the Bible and backed up solidly with quoted scripture.

To explain the trinity, they must use non biblical terms that require twisting scriptures and ignoring others.

Jesus was either a man who came entirely in the flesh or he wasn't. The Bible says he was. Trinitarians say he wasn't.


18 posted on 03/21/2006 5:22:18 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

**To explain the trinity, they must use non biblical terms that require twisting scriptures and ignoring others.**

True.


22 posted on 03/21/2006 11:04:06 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Eagle Eye; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Diego1618
When it is said that this, that, or the other doctrine needs to be "taken on faith", my question is, "Faith in what?"

Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

What exactly did Noah believe? The word of Hashem.
What exactly did Abraham believe? The word of Hashem.

They knew that when Hashem speaks, He speaks the truth always. His word is true. Same for the others who live "by faith." They had faith in Hashem's words because the source of the message is Hashem, who does not lie. To believe Hashem is to believe what He says.

So back to doctrines that need to be taken "on faith". "By faith" has been slickly redefined to mean faith in vague/incomplete/convoluted explanations by those who peddle the doctrines of men. Otherwise the words of Scripture would not be so "difficult" and "confusing". One must choose to have faith in expositors, when the expositors contradict the plain words of Hashem.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

To be content - to trust - scholarly claims, without the interest/motivation to examine these doctrines against the word of Hashem (starting with Torah and the Neviim), is not characteristic of those who diligently seek Him.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

By me = the way, the truth , and life

Proverbs 12:28 In the way of righteousness [is] life; and [in] the pathway [thereof there is] no death.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked* with God: and he was not; for God took him.

*01980 halak {haw-lak'}
akin to 03212, a primitive root; TWOT - 498; v
AV - go 217, walk 156, come 16, ...away 7, ...along 6, misc 98; 500

1) to go, walk, come
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to go, walk, come, depart, proceed, move, go away
1a2) to die, live, manner of life (fig.)
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to walk
1b2) to walk (fig.)
1c) (Hithpael)
1c1) to traverse
1c2) to walk about
1d) (Niphal) to lead, bring, lead away, carry, cause to walk


Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

The way (path of righteousness) is to believe (and therefore do) the word of Hashem... He is what He is... truth. His messengers speak the same language: truth. Paul told the Corinthian church that they were 1) the body of Christ, and 2) the temple of G-d. If the word is literally G-d who is Jesus (as claimed from John 1), then the church (the body of Christ) is making itself G-d.


2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Christian interpretations of the above pin the rap on the Jews... as if Torah-observant Jews are going to worship a man as G-d. The Torah-free zone is the church.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

34 posted on 03/21/2006 6:01:47 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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