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To: Pyro7480
"If Foxe had any knowledge of ancient history, he would have realized that the Roman empire was still persecuting Christians at this time, and the papacy had no power to execute someone."
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Good point. What year did the Roman Catholic Church marry the state under Constantine? I've always believed that is the point where Roman Catholicism really went off track becoming more political than religious.
16 posted on 03/16/2006 8:40:11 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The WAY!)
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To: wmfights
Good point.

Yes, because it shows clearly that Foxe doesn't know what he's talking about.

What year did the Roman Catholic Church marry the state under Constantine?

Toleration of the Christian religion was enacted by the Edict of Milan in AD 315, I believe. Catholic Christianity became the state religion under Constantine's successor (a few emperors removed) Theodosius the Great, around AD 380.

I've always believed that is the point where Roman Catholicism really went off track becoming more political than religious.

If you want to talk about "more political than religious," study up on the history of the Reformation, especially in England and Germany.

19 posted on 03/16/2006 8:45:32 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: wmfights
What year did the Roman Catholic Church marry the state under Constantine? I've always believed that is the point where Roman Catholicism really went off track becoming more political than religious.

LOL! More misunderstanding of history in action. Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire under Emperor Theodosius I, who ruled from 379 until his death in 395.

22 posted on 03/16/2006 8:48:31 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: wmfights

You wrote:

"What year did the Roman Catholic Church marry the state under Constantine?"

There was no marriage of any such kind. The Roman state stayed the Roman state. The Catholic Church stayed the Catholic Church. The two cooperated, but NEVER became one. If the two became one then why did Constantine and his sons flirt with Arianism when the Church opposed it? Why was Constantine baptized by an Arian heretic? Why were one or more of his sons Arian, openly Arian at that? If the Roman state and Catholic Church were one then why didn't the Church ever accept Arianism when Constantine and his family championed it several years AFTER the Council of Nicea?

"I've always believed that is the point where Roman Catholicism really went off track becoming more political than religious."

And that never happened. The Church was never more political than religious. The Church offers Mass every day. How often does it hold political conventions? The Church has seven sacraments, but no public political parties. The Church has the Bible, but didn't change a word of it to please an emperor, or king, or noble of any rank. Please don't go trolling over the internet looking for Davinci Code like conspiracies that say otherwise. Why waste your time?


27 posted on 03/16/2006 8:56:10 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: wmfights; Pyro7480
Good point. What year did the Roman Catholic Church marry the state under Constantine? I've always believed that is the point where Roman Catholicism really went off track becoming more political than religious.

Excuse me. The work is called Foxe's Book of Martyrs, which would not exclude those saints martyred by pagans. Your quarrel is not with Foxe, but rather those who are attributing Foxe's documentation of martyrdom done by Pagan Roman Authorities to the Roman Catholic Church

152 posted on 03/16/2006 3:29:16 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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