Posted on 03/16/2006 7:42:26 AM PST by Gamecock
That's because they never get the memos out in time!
I haven't noticed any poster, of any denomination, claiming to be holy. It's the accuracy of historical facts that's in dispute, not anyone's personal rectitude.
All-purpose insults, independent of context, are for liberals.
I've been on FR since 98' and I'm here to tell ya there's nothing that gets a Catholic more riled up than mentioning the "Foxes Book of Martyrs"....when I saw the thread I plugged my ears for fear of an explosion. lol
Would the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" get you riled up? I hope it would.
Incidentally, Dwight Longenecker, the gentleman who wrote the article in that other thread, is an ex-Protestant (I believe he's a former Anglican priest who started out as some sort of fundamentalist) and an alumnus of -- believe it or not -- Bob Jones University.
I thought we switched to the metric system?
SD
Oops, my bad. How can we have One World Mystery Babylon Religion without One World Mystery Babylon Metric Measurement?
Actually, while I support Vladimir's "bigger picture," a minor tweak need to be made, for the sake of accuracy:
The term "Roman Catholic" is certainly often used to emphasize Rome and make whore-of-Babylon connections by Protestants. However, the term does predate the Reformation. It was said within the Roman Empire that the whole of the civilized world was Roman; what was not Roman was Barbarian. Hence, Roman came to mean "civilized." It was used as a modifier to the term "Catholic" to recognize that there were pagan heathen who did not know of Christ.
"Roman" does not mean "of the city of Rome." In fact, the Pope lives in exile FROM the city of Rome, across the Tiber, in the Vatican City. This makes the expression "crossing the Tiber," highly ironic, since on one side of the Tiber is the Catholic Church, and on the other side is the City of Rome, plausibly labelled "the Whore of Babylon." Hence, someone "crossing the Tiber" is leaving the Whore of Babylon to join the Catholic Church. :^D
No, no, no... it IS $15.95 a pound. The confusion is that "pound" doesn't refer to weight. It's $15.95 a pound, $22.95 a lash, and $10.00 per cm of rack-induced "spiritual growth." (That's $24.50 per inch.)
"After Constantine what happened to the pagans?"
Nothing. They made up 2/3 of the population
They still do. That's the tough part about Europe...
And none too soon, before the selling of "indulgences by the hogshead" is deemed offensive to Muslims.
SD
***Religion of peace?***
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Alternatively, "crossing the Tiber" could mean leaving the Catholic Church to join the Whore of Babylon ... I'm thinking of a certian Matthew Fox, for example ....
I doubt any Protestant would consider the Albigenese or the Waldenese (sp) brothers of the Reformation. Both were groups of Gnostic heretics whose beliefs would be rejected by Protestants.
Fox's writing here is a bit of historical historiography--he wrote over 350 years ago. Like virtually any history of his day, of course he is obviously biased...standards of history as a science had yet been written. Of course we as conservatives still see notorious bias both in history's first draft (the media) and in history text books and courses used in schools.
However, beyond Fox there are numerous and widespread historically reliable accounts that the medieval and renaissance Roman Catholic church did indeed surpress the vernacular bible, and ruthlessly persecuted and killed individuals and groups who for one reason or another didn't toe the official church line on any number of subjects (often SURPRISE...those issues, like corruption of the curia, or threatening fund-raising (see "indulgences")involved money and/or political power...)
You can say the Church didn't kill anyone...technically almost true...however judging one (or hundreds and thousands ) heretical and turning him over to the state (to burn alive) makes them as culpible or more as the high priests of Jerusalem turning Jesus over to Rome while chanting, 'crucify!' (the original word "outlaw" applied to heritics, and meant they were "outside the protection of the law" meaning anyone, especially local rulers, could imprison, torture or kill them, without penalty)
There is a reason why freedom of religion was so important to the (overwelmingly Protestant) founding-fathers of America--they were only a few generations away from the raging religious wars of Europe--which sprang up after the Catholic Counter-Reformation, and its highly intolerant Council of Trent declaration.
Until Roman Catholicism as a whole (not just the Vatican itself, which to a large extent has...) faces up to its history of persecution, corruption, and intolerance--focused on other Christians especially, will there ever be enough reform to reunify the Church.
Tell that to all the freepers that say the same about Islam.
Oh Goody. I think a new Inquisition might just clear things up a little. Seeing John Kerry paraded in an Auto-De-Fate ( is that the term) would warm the very marrow of my bones.
In the pursuit of fairness I should partially retract/clarify this statement.
I lived in an apartment in Somerville, MA, which was once part of Cambridge, MA. Various (non-Catholic) people in the apartment building reported being haunted by the ghosts of nuns. I investigated a little and found a local museum practically bragged that the city had once "eliminated" a community of about 200 nuns that once occupied most of what is now the city, and that subsequent murder investigations turned up no witnesses. The convent was utterly destroyed, and to this day, the city of Somerville has very, very few practicing Catholic.
I trust my reporting of this will not lead anyone who reads it in this forum towards a belief in paranormal hogwash such as hauntings. I am only reporting the context of what I learned, and how I jumped to a conclusion that the nuns had been murdered. I do not know whether this is actually the case, or merely a presumption based on poorly-written museum exhibits and false inferences. By the way, I told none of my apartment-mates about my discoveries at the time; they hadn't known of the history and I didn't want to encourage their beliefs in ghosts. (Ghost mythology is that violent deaths, particularly those which have gone without justice, often leads to hauntings. I was concerned that my findings would "explain" what was happening.)
If we are all guilty by association with the Vatican, why aren't we all absolved by association with the Vatican's penitential stance?
SD
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