FOX'S BOOK OF MARTYRS, CHAPTER IV, Papal Persecutions

Christian Classics Ethereal Library ^ | John Fox

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Men, just like religions, are known by their fruit.

[SoothingDave]

Men, just like religions, are known by their fruit.

Yes. Can you direct me to the Scripture where faux scholarship is promoted as a virtue?

SD

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"A number of men" standing guard slain compared to 100,000 men, women and children slaughtered while they slept.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What's "faux" about 100,000 French Huguenot men, women and children being slaughtered while they slept?

[SoothingDave]

What's "faux" about 100,000 French Huguenot men, women and children being slaughtered while they slept?

Everything except "and" and the punctuation. Get a grip.

SD

[Campion]

"A number of men" standing guard slain compared to 100,000 men, women and children slaughtered while they slept.

Killing innocent people who don't resist is okay if you don't kill very many of them?

[Nihil Obstat]

must have been heavy sleepers.

[Campion]

Oh, and, your estimate of 100,000 dead is at the far reach of historical credibility. The number was about 2,000 in Paris and possibly as high as 15,000 in the rest of the country.

None of which makes it anything other than a reprehensible crime and a terrible sin.

[markomalley]

Why is he posting from a Papist document like Foxe? We all KNOW where to go for the truth? (See above)

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[redgolum]

You do remember they were mercanies, and part of Charles V's (Spanish Emperor, who was Catholic) army? A good number of them were Protestant, and that may of helped speed things, but unpaid soldiers looting local cities was a pretty common thing during those times.

[vladimir998]

The number massacred was at least 2,000, but no where near 100,000. The Martyrologe des Huguenots, published in 1581 by Protestants, claims 15,138, but then again claims only 786 dead. Clearly, however, 100,000 is simply off base.

And let's not forget that in 1569, the Protestant general, Gabriel de Montgomery, won a victory over the royal forces led by General Terride at the Battle of Orthez in French Navarre. The surrender of the Catholic nobles and military leaders was made upon a promise by the Protestants that their lives would be protected. General Montgomery had the Catholic nobles murdered. Guess what the day was? St. Bartholomew's Day, (August 24, 1569). Three years later there was a massacre of Protestants. A sad tit for tat one ups-manship that was completely immoral.

[Campion]

You do remember they were mercanies, and part of Charles V's (Spanish Emperor, who was Catholic) army? A good number of them were Protestant, and that may of helped speed things, but unpaid soldiers looting local cities was a pretty common thing during those times.

Yeah, I know. But they did a lot more than just loot.

[Nihil Obstat]

Those poor Nazi's and Ku Klux Klanners... why won't the Jesuits just leave them alone?

[SoothingDave]

And let's not forget that in 1569, the Protestant general, Gabriel de Montgomery, won a victory over the royal forces led by General Terride at the Battle of Orthez in French Navarre. The surrender of the Catholic nobles and military leaders was made upon a promise by the Protestants that their lives would be protected. General Montgomery had the Catholic nobles murdered. Guess what the day was? St. Bartholomew's Day, (August 24, 1569). Three years later there was a massacre of Protestants. A sad tit for tat one ups-manship that was completely immoral.

You've got to give the thread's Protestants credit for consistency. They pluck facts out of historical context in the exact same way they pluck verses out of Scriptural and Traditional context.

SD

[vladimir998]

Unpaid army?

Read Judith Hooks book THE SACK OF ROME 1527. She points out that the many Lutherans soldiers boasted that they came with hemp ropes to hang the cardinals and a silk one for the pope. They acted like animals because of their ideological hatred of Catholics and not because they were unpaid. They were preparing to act like animals all along while BEING paid.

[lastchance]

I was writing about Foxes statement. I am sure you would (as your Calvinist ancestors would) reject Gnosticism as the heresy it is. Unfortunately books such as the DaVinci Code popularize heresies long rejected by both Catholic and Protestant Churches.

[Campion]

a silk one for the pope

Well, that was a nice touch, at least. :-0

[Tax-chick]

It's funny how anti-Catholics are still in a pickle over the Jesuits, while believing Catholics think the Jesuits are just this side of N.O.W. ... maybe.

[wmfights]

Thanks for the post. I had no idea that "the church" had done this all in the name of GOD.

[wmfights]

"The Romanists somehow believe that the leaders of their organization are not sinners."
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I think it is because they associate defending their church, and its leaders, as the same as defending their FAITH.