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To: MrBlueSky2005
This is no different than your or I praying for an ill family member or asking another person to offer prayers up

No different???? I'd say asking a living person for prayer is very different than asking a dead pope. Asking a living church elder for prayer is proper (James 5:14) Seeking the assistance of the dead on any way is forbidden (Deut 18:11)

Again I say you guys need to read your bible for yourself instead of depending on "the teaching" of your apostate leaders. They are leading all of you to hell.
106 posted on 03/14/2006 2:01:59 PM PST by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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Again I say you guys need to read your bible for yourself instead of depending on "the teaching" of your apostate leaders. They are leading all of you to hell.




I've almost had my fill of you.


116 posted on 03/14/2006 2:06:37 PM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: The Lumster
I'd say asking a living person for prayer is very different than asking a dead pope.

If you believe in the life after, you will understand that one is not asking a "dead pope" but instead is asking a living servent of God.

Again I say you guys need to read your bible for yourself instead of depending on "the teaching" of your apostate leaders. They are leading all of you to hell.

Wasn't Christ who told Saint Peter that what the Church binds on Earth will be bound in heaven? Futhermore, I have read the Bible cover to cover more than once and continue to study it, but thank you for making baseless assumptions.
124 posted on 03/14/2006 2:09:56 PM PST by MrBlueSky2005
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No different???? I'd say asking a living person for prayer is very different than asking a dead pope. Asking a living church elder for prayer is proper (James 5:14) Seeking the assistance of the dead on any way is forbidden (Deut 18:11)

In the New Testament, there is no indication that any deceased Christian interceded and received a favor. Christians living on this earth, whether it be apostle or simple believer, often got a miracle. I can't think of any examples where angels were prayed to either. It's something I don't understand about the catholic faith completely, but some.

Again I say you guys need to read your bible for yourself instead of depending on "the teaching" of your apostate leaders. They are leading all of you to hell.

That is too harsh. We don't know for certain how God views it one way or the other; we know what the church believes. There is a lot of evidence that it simply works in too many cases to dismiss out of hand.

I don't pray to saints any more, but if they want to intercede for me and God hears their prayers (he can ask them to ask Him), I'll be grateful.

Remember, one requirement for a positive answer to prayer is belief. Those nuns evidently believed with all their hearts that it was possible if this account is true. Many people, I myself, pray hoping but thinking I am asking for something too big because I have faith for little things but not the real, big blockbuster cases.

Praying for healing is a slippery slope. In my experience over many years, both Protestant and Catholic, the person usually dies or remains ill sometimes for long years no matter what prayer method is used, whether the whole congregation prays, one, or a few etc., whether some blessed object or "miracle-working water" is applied. Still for a very blessed few, miracles seem to happen, and my observation has been that no particular method of prayer worked unless their is a causative link. In other words, they all work, Protestants praying to God in the name of Jesus Christ and Catholics (and Orthodox) through the sacraments and their unique practices.

It's good to keep an open mind on the subject.

189 posted on 03/14/2006 7:08:37 PM PST by Aliska
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