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A Contrarian's Christ;Making a case for Jesus as the enemy of religion
Newsweek ^ | March 20, 2006 issue | David Gates

Posted on 03/11/2006 10:50:25 PM PST by Lorianne

March 20, 2006 issue - Garry Wills's latest book, "What Jesus Meant," should affront most of his fellow Christians—right from the foreword, which argues that Christ was not one of them. The megachurch set won't care to hear that "Jesus did not come to replace the Temple with other buildings, whether huts or rich cathedrals." The Christian left, committed to good works, won't care to hear that Jesus "does not work miracles from humanitarian motives." The Christian right, cozy with secular power, won't care to hear that "if they want the state to be politically Christian, they are not following Jesus." Pope Benedict XVI really won't care to hear that he, "like his predecessors, is returning to the religion that Jesus renounced, with all its paraphernalia of priesthood." What parishioner of any denomination wants to hear that the Gospels are "a deep threat to the institutional church," since Jesus opposed "just about every form of religion we know"?

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1 posted on 03/11/2006 10:50:29 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
What parishioner of any denomination wants to hear that the Gospels are "a deep threat to the institutional church," since Jesus opposed "just about every form of religion we know"?

Except for the "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church." stuff.

3 posted on 03/11/2006 10:55:44 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Lorianne
Leave it to Newsweek to not get it.

The Christian right, cozy with secular power, won't care to hear that "if they want the state to be politically Christian, they are not following Jesus."

I am what would probably be classified as part of the Christian right, and I, for one, do not expect the US to become politically Christian...I will, however, stand up for what's right, which is exercising not only my rights but my responsibility as a citizen of this nation and is not a violation of attempting to be salt, nor a city set on a hill.

4 posted on 03/11/2006 10:56:39 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Lorianne

Jesus was a socialist radical. It was Paul who tempered the message.


5 posted on 03/11/2006 10:57:53 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Lorianne
The Christian left, committed to good works, won't care to hear that Jesus "does not work miracles from humanitarian motives." The Christian right, cozy with secular power, won't care to hear that "if they want the state to be politically Christian, they are not following Jesus."

Ahhhh...Newsweek. The Christian left is committed to good works, while the Christian right is cozy with secular power...

NEWSWEEK LIVES IN A BUBBLE!

6 posted on 03/11/2006 11:10:06 PM PST by reaganandme
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To: Gamecock

Ping to self for a later read


7 posted on 03/11/2006 11:44:03 PM PST by Gamecock (“We don’t preach the gospel clear enough for the non-elect to reject it.” ((Unknown))
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To: Jeff Chandler
" . . . upon this rock . . . "

In context, it could also be said that the 'rock' that Jesus was immediately referring to was the fact that 'flesh and blood' (man) did not reveal to Peter that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God, but it was revealed to Peter from the Father within Peter. What sturdier foundation of the 'church' could there be than one that was built by God Himself, against which even the gates of hell could not prevail? Man did not give it to him, and man could not take it away from him.

It was Peter's personal experience . . . the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

8 posted on 03/12/2006 12:15:00 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Lorianne

I find "I'm not religious, I'm Christian!" almost as annoying as "I'm not religious, I'm spiritual!". Just more affected navel-gazing.

In any case, if you read the entire article you'll find that what he's really trying to do is cast Jesus as a radical social leftist. Check this bit out:

"Wills was identified with the conservative movement in its more intellectually respectable days—he wrote for years in National Review—but in this book he praises Jesus as a "radical egalitarian," a proto-feminist and a subversive who "was never afraid to speak truth to power." (Smart as he is, Wills isn't above a cliché now and then.) He critiques the lingering notion that sex is somehow "unclean," and he sticks up for the Dobsonites' latest punching bags: "Those persecuting gays are persecuting Jesus."


9 posted on 03/12/2006 12:51:50 AM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: Eastbound
It was Peter's personal experience

Of course, all the Apostles, all the disciples, and the Church from its earliest beginnings and for centuries understood Christ to mean just what he said, that Peter was the foundation of His Church, but who are they to quibble with your hindsight?

10 posted on 03/12/2006 1:08:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I brought home his big thick last book, but I could not get into it. Sems to me that he starts with a democrtic platform and tries to prove it is more Christian than the Republican. The thinking is tortured and boring.


11 posted on 03/12/2006 3:27:05 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Except for the "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church." stuff.

Please. No quoting of actual Gospels.

Newsweek has found wisdom (yet again) in the Gospel According to Garry.

12 posted on 03/12/2006 4:30:20 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: highlander_UW
I am what would probably be classified as part of the Christian right, and I, for one, do not expect the US to become politically Christian.

Good thing for us our Founders recognized that our rights are an endowment from our Creator. If we ever lose that concept, I think we can kiss the USA good-bye.

13 posted on 03/12/2006 4:45:08 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: marsh_of_mists
The Left can try all they want to make Jesus into a commie; he would have hated and subverted the commies and their culture just as Christian "conservatives" do today.

Humanism/atheism/liberalism is the opposite of what Jesus taught. Communists have been trying to make Jesus into one of them since they realized they can not successfully end Christianity in Utopia.

Jesus did not believe in a government of service. He mentioned the difference between Cesar's taxes and God's alms. Government was something to be tolerated; not respected because Jesus found it immoral and hypocritical. Based on the above, the Left would like for Christians to turn away from competing with them for power and influence in American government and society. Unfortunately, Christians can not afford to do so, because liberals do not respect the freedom of Christians to operate freely in the public square and liberals use their power to dictate humanism to Christians and end freedom of speech and freedom of association in the public square in the name of separation of church and state. In truth, the Left does not want Christians to exist and act in life to any degree outside their social and government control. They have always tried to say Jesus wants it this way. Just like they say Jesus loves sodomy and adultery.
14 posted on 03/12/2006 4:52:53 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Eastbound; Jeff Chandler
It was Peter's personal experience . . . the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Perhaps it means both.

In the first chapter of Acts it is recorded that Peter, before Pentecost, stood up and said that Judas had to be replaced. Not because Judas was a wonderful human being but because the office that he occupied had to be filled.

It is not recorded that anyone disagreed and left the room.

15 posted on 03/12/2006 5:04:58 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Galveston Grl

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's" was one of Jesus' most brilliant lines. Of course, what Jesus was really saying is: "Render nothing unto Caesar because all things are God's." The Pharisees wanted to trap Jesus into a proclamation of treason and Jesus was so clever that his reply goes over many people's head even today. Your post being a case in point..


16 posted on 03/12/2006 5:11:45 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: Lorianne

NewsWeek: redefining the definition of the word "News".


17 posted on 03/12/2006 5:31:28 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Muslims give us a choice-their way or the dieway.)
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To: AntiGuv

Your interpertation of scripture is not by me. Jesus was not a socialist radical.


18 posted on 03/12/2006 5:51:10 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Galveston Grl
Your interpertation of scripture is not by me.

That's OK. It's your right to be wrong. :p

19 posted on 03/12/2006 6:50:51 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: siunevada
Good thing for us our Founders recognized that our rights are an endowment from our Creator. If we ever lose that concept, I think we can kiss the USA good-bye.

I agree with you...and sadly, I think the US will eventually bury that fact. I recall a while back that there was a teacher who got into trouble presenting the Declaration of Independence to his class because of the reference to God.

20 posted on 03/12/2006 8:33:12 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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