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Anglican Options: Rome or Orthodoxy?
Western Orthodoxy ^ | NA | By Fr. Chad Hatfield

Posted on 03/08/2006 4:07:20 PM PST by jecIIny

Anglican Options Rome or Orthodoxy? By Fr. Chad Hatfield

I can still remember the confusion and pain at Nashotah House Seminary when the news began to spread that the 1976 General Convention had passed, by a razor thin margin, a canon to permit the ordination of women to the priesthood and episcopate. The 100th Archbishop of Canterbury, Michael Ramsey, was teaching theology at the seminary in the fall of 1976. His powerful presence had an almost spell-like effect on everyone and we all looked to him for guidance and wisdom. In true Anglo-Catholic fashion, most, but not all of us, decided to stay and suffer through! We rallied around Lord Ramsey and other sound bishops, like Robert Terwilliger, and we made our threats to stay and not leave!

There are days now, when I wish that I had been able to recognize that the Anglican house was no longer inclusive enough to find room for orthodox Christians. It would take me another 18 years before it became clear that I truly no longer had a place at the family table in the Anglican Communion, which had been the very place where I had been formed as an orthodox Christian.

In my case, I fell victim to an Episcopalian bishop who totally ignored the Eames Commission, Lambeth pronouncements and the so-called conscience clause by trying to force me to stand with a woman priest to renew ordination vows. This action was not long after his promise not to force the issue with his clergy who held theological objections to female ordinations.

The scene was set at the 1993 Convention of the Episcopal Diocese of Western Kansas, meeting in Dodge City (a great place for a show-down). When Canon Joseph Kimmett and I failed to show for the renewal of vows with the woman priest, we were charged with breaking communion with our bishop and the rest of the diocese. This is a serious charge by the bishop, who admitted that no canons had been violated, but his own rules had been broken! Faced with this charge, Canon Kimmett and I found ourselves alone, with absolutely no support from the small group of orthodox bishops who were left in PECUSA. I had watched this sort of thing happen, time and time again. My family and I now knew that we would soon be joining the ever growing list of orthodox Anglicans who were being forced from their ecclesiastical home. We were truly victims of the PECUSA policy of ethnic cleansing!

When your house is on fire, you have a moral obligation to warn as many as possible who are in the house with you, but you do not have a moral obligation to stay with those who refuse to leave and to burn up with them! The question was which road would we walk? Like most traditionalist Anglicans, I had been checking out my options.

I had watched the pitiful hissing and fighting within the Continuing Anglican churches for years. I had come to the conclusion that the main vocation of these various groups was to serve a kind of chaplaincy to small elderly congregations. I had admired Bishop A. Donald Davies for his courage in starting the Episcopal Missionary Church, but again, for a younger priest, this body was a cul-de-sac.

The real issue was becoming more and more clear for me. It was really an ecclesiastical issue. I wanted to be, without any debate, a member of the Church of the Apostles. The curse of Henry VIII had become active and I had to admit, with much regret, that Anglicanism is now and always had been a Protestant Church1.

Rome has been the answer for many former Anglicans who have reached an understanding of this truth about our Anglican heritage. There are many who have walked in the footsteps of Cardinal John Henry Newman, and the 11 November 1992 vote in the General Synod of the Church of England to approve the ordination of women is converting this steady stream into a fast flowing river. Recent converts include Charles Moore, the editor of The Sunday Telegram, the Duchess of Kent, author and priest William Oddie and, of course, the most senior prelate ever to have left the Church of England, Graham Leonard, sometime Bishop of London. Surely then, this is the logical road to walk for people who, according to the branch theory, are part of the Western Catholic Church2? Personally speaking, as a former member of the Society of the Holy Cross, re-union with Rome was a formal part of the rule of life which I faithfully lived.

I had learned from Archbishop Michael Ramsey that the Anglican Communion was provisional by nature. I had heard the 102nd Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, say that our vocation as Anglicans was to put ourselves out of business3. We were a part seeking to be united with the whole.

The efforts towards corporate re-union in the last century, under the leadership of Lord Halifax and the Malines Conversations, were a rightful inheritance. In our own time we watched our hopes rise and fall with the Anglican/Roman Catholic International Commission. The work of ARCIC is now dead. The Pope has made it clear that the ordination of women is a most serious obstacle to re-union, calling it a new and insuperable barrier to Christian unity.

So, why did I not walk the Newman path to Rome? Why did I not take the Pastoral Provision for married clergy, now provided by the Vatican? Surely, Episcopal laity would feel more at home in the Roman liturgy, when comparing it to the Byzantine Rite, now used by my convert laity?

When wrestling with these questions, I was often reminded of the old Anglican cure for Roman Fever. The cure was always simply to attend a Roman Mass! Post Vatican II Catholicism has a liturgical style, which most Anglicans find simply dull and uninspiring. I too was reminded of something a priest friend often said, which was: I liked Rome better when Rome didn’t like us!

Those Anglicans looking to join the Church of Rome need to remember that the much touted book Ungodly Rage was written not about the state of The Episcopal Church, but of the Roman Catholic Church4. While exploring the Roman Church, with my own ears I had heard radical nuns invoking Sophia and the Mother God. Time and again, in theological conversation with Roman Catholics, priests, nuns and laity, I would find myself defending the Pope and Cardinal Ratzinger! Did I want to spend the rest of my life doing what I have been doing in The Episcopal Church, only in a larger circle?

As I contemplated my concern that a jump to Rome was from the fat to the fire, I was reminded of a saying from the Eastern Orthodox Church—Rome is simply the flip-side of the Protestant coin. It seems to me, and many others, that Rome is experiencing a re-discovery of the Protestant Reformation with people like Archbishop Weakland of Milwaukee, Anna Quindlen, Rosemary Radford-Reuther and Richard McBrien leading the charge much like a new vision5 of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and Cranmer!

I remember one Roman priest telling me that Anglo-Catholics were medievalists caught in a time warp. My own Anglican theological formation by-passed the Council of Trent, looking for roots in the Fathers and the Ecumenical Councils. Being a Patristics man was far more natural for an Anglican than to be a medievalist. I had to remember that the Western Patriarchy, the Papacy, has been in schism since 1054. Any Church historian can tell you that the vote at the time of the Great Schism was four to one. If schism is sin, as several Episcopalian bishops have told me, then the Western Church has been in this sin for nearly a thousand years!

In 1992, I was asked to present a paper at the special convocation marking the 150th Anniversary of Nashotah House Seminary. The focus of this paper centered on two great bishops, Charles Chapman Grafton and the newly canonized St. Tikhon of Moscow. Grafton was deceiving to the eye. He looked every inch a Roman prelate, but to read his theology is to find a strong anti-Roman strain of thought. Grafton wrote that in times of theological confusion it is natural for Anglicans to turn to the East to find our way. Both Grafton and St. Tikhon shared a common vision of Anglican/Orthodox unity in the Faith, but Grafton had few fellow Anglicans who shared his vision.

There were, and still are, a handful of great Anglican bishops who professed that a strong East wind had affected their own theological thought. Men like Michael Ramsey, Robert Terwilliger and Stanley Atkins come quickly to mind. Canon H. Boone Porter, writing in a forum published in The Evangelical Catholic wrote: …the Eastern Churches embody many of the unachieved goals of Anglicanism6; I believe that the great Anglican bishops have known this to be true.

Orthodoxy is not strange and foreign reading for classical Anglicans. Father Carl Bell (now Father Anthony Bell, an Orthodox priest), again writing in the options forum in The Evangelical Catholic, makes a strong case showing that the Anglican way and the Orthodox way are one and the same with the appeal to Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition. Orthodoxy is the best of classical Anglicanism preserved in our day, with an unquestioned link to the Apostolic Church7.

Anglicans have sought the stamp of approval and validity from the Orthodox Church, almost from the very beginning of the Church of England. Great progress was made, especially in the early part of this century, but, as with Rome, our own actions dashed any formal Orthodox recognition of Anglican validity8.

Modern Orthodox theologians had become an anchor for so many orthodox Anglicans, and I was no exception. Lossky, Schmemann, Meyendorff and Hopko are only a few of the Orthodox theologians quoted often in traditionalist Episcopalian circles. I cannot count the number of times I have heard traditionalists repeat how much they felt at home reading Orthodox theologians but they could never become Orthodox because the Byzantine Rite was just too exotic!

There was a time when I would also nod my head in an understanding gesture when this kind of comment was made, so I expect many doubters when I now, in all honesty, after six months as an Eastern Rite priest, write what follows. I understand your concerns, but I can tell you that the Liturgies of St. John Chrysostom and St. Basil no longer seem complicated and long. They are now exciting and re-newing. Having made a choice between the modern Roman Rite, formal BCP worship, and the Byzantine Rite, I am now delighted and thankful to worship with the Fathers. Orthodoxy is right belief and right worship.

As a married priest, my wife and family also had to look at options. The Roman Pastoral Provision would have made my wife an exception. She is, indeed, exceptional, but she is not an exception! That she is a vital part of my life and ministry is fully understood in Orthodoxy. In the Orthodox tradition the priest’s wife is, in fact, highly exalted. My wife is learning the wonderful role of being the Khouria9. So often the married Anglican priest who takes the Pastoral Provision is not given a parish. In Orthodoxy, parish priests are normally married.

Children are also normative in Orthodox clergy families and what a joy it is to see the high priority that young people have in the Orthodox Church. My eldest son was excluded from Episcopalian campus activities due to his conservative Christian views. He found the Roman campus ministry just as secularized and strange as Canterbury House. The only difference was that it was so much bigger. Now, as an Orthodox student, he finds that he is in complete theological harmony with his fellow Orthodox students and faculty. He is, in fact, the President of the University of Kansas Orthodox Student Fellowship, which is a far cry from the reception he got in the other places. In Orthodoxy I no longer worry about what my children will experience or be taught when they attend a church function away from their own parish. I could not say the same if we were part of the Roman Catholic Church. Who can guess what strange ideas Roman nuns promote these days at Catholic Youth events?

In a reflection paper, written by Fr. Peter Geldard, former General-Secretary of the English Church Union, three questions are put to Anglicans who are looking at their options. They are as follows:

* Does the Church in which I wish to be sustained guarantee me the continual grace and comfort of the sacraments as they were instituted by Christ? * Does my choice work for the building-up and the unity of the Church or its further disintegration? * Is it a Church into which I wish to inculcate my children and grand-children because I am convinced of its future and its ability to convert our nation10?

In Holy Orthodoxy I can give a most vigorous Yes! to each of these questions. I could not give the same response if I were part of the current American Roman Catholic scene. In the Roman Church, I would still be defending the Church of God. I would be finding like minded groups striving to be the Church within the Church. As a member of the Orthodox Church, I no longer defend the Church; She defends me. Endnotes

1. For a recent theological history on the nature of Anglicanism see: Aidan Nichols, O.P., The Panther and the Hind; Edinburgh 1993. 2. See Gregory Mathews-Green, Whither the Branch Theory, The Anglican/Orthodox Pilgrim, Vol. 2, No. 4. 3. Comments made at the 1989 North American Conference of Cathedral Deans in response to questions regarding ecumenism. See also: Robert Runcie, The Unity We Seek; London 1989. 4. Donna Steichen, Ungodly Rage: The Hidden Face of Catholic Feminism, San Francisco 1994. 5. See E. C. Miller, Jr., Toward A Fuller Vision, Wilton, Ct. 1984, for a complete development of this Anglican/Orthodox vision. 6. H. Boone Porter, An Unexplored Territory, The Evangelical Catholic, Vol. XIV, No. 8, March/April 1992, p. 14. 7. Fr. Carl Bell, A New and Unknown World, The Evangelical Catholic, Vol. XIV, No. 8, March/April 1992, p. 11. 8. See address by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomaio to the Church of England General Synod, November 1993. Eastern Churches Journal, Vol. 1, No. 1, Winter 1993/94. 9. Khouria is the Arabic term for the wife of a priest. Presbytera is the common term for Greek Orthodox Christians and Matushka for Russian Orthodox. Thus, just as I would be addressed as Fr. Chad, my wife would be addressed as Khouria Shelley. 10. Unpublished paper written by Peter Geldard; Exploring the Future, 1994.


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It is widely agreed on FR that ECUSA is a heretical body. With this in mind there seems to be a consensus that those in ECUSA should leave and seek spritual succor elsewhere. For those of the non-evangelical tradition the two logical places to go are either the Roman Catholic Church or Orthodoxy. This essay presents an argument for Orthodoxy.
1 posted on 03/08/2006 4:07:22 PM PST by jecIIny
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To: jecIIny

A good argument could be made either way.

There isn't an argument that can be made for staying put, however.


2 posted on 03/08/2006 5:18:14 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: jecIIny

You may want to consider pinging your list, my friend. This is an interesting article worth the read. Just tonight at the Presanctified Liturgy there were three or four former Episcopalians/Canadian Anglicans in attendence.


3 posted on 03/08/2006 5:55:15 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: AnAmericanMother; Convert from ECUSA

Well, now! I thought you might find this interesting ... The author comes to a slightly different conclusion than you did.


4 posted on 03/08/2006 6:26:35 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jecIIny
I respect his opinion, some people are more comfortable swimming the Bosporus rather than the Tiber, but he sets up a straw man at the very beginning.

There are loony Catholic parishes and they seem to get all the press, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Our parish is profoundly orthodox (little 'o').

I'm sure if I hunted around I could find some goofy Orthodox congregations . . . but I wouldn't judge the entire church by them . . .

5 posted on 03/08/2006 6:31:28 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: jecIIny

I would think Catholicism makes more sense for a converting Anglican. Putting my bias toward my own faith aside, culturally and ritually, Anglicans share more in common with Western Catholicism. Although I guess in a way I'm using one of my biggest beefs against Orthodoxy (ethno-centrism) to make my case *for* Catholicism.


6 posted on 03/08/2006 8:06:55 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Kolokotronis
"You may want to consider pinging your list, my friend."

You and FormerLib are pretty much my list. When I need something to be sent out I ping one or both of you. I agree it's a good article. I just got back from Presanctified Liturgy where I met with my prospective God Father (himself a former Episcopalian, now Orthodox many years). Feel free to ping anyone you want.
7 posted on 03/08/2006 9:16:59 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: AnAmericanMother
"There are loony Catholic parishes and they seem to get all the press, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Our parish is profoundly orthodox (little 'o').

I'm sure if I hunted around I could find some goofy Orthodox congregations . . . but I wouldn't judge the entire church by them . . ."

It's possible there are some goofy Orthodox parishes. But I have never found one. Coming from Catholicism I would have to say that your odds of finding an orthodox (small 'o') parish will vary from diocese to diocese. I have stumbled on more than my share of radical liberalism in the Catholic Church. I have of course also found very conservative and good parishes. But in some diocese they are the minority. Thats not the case in Orthodoxy. The terms liberal and conservative are relative terms here. A "liberal" Orthodox jurisdiction is one where the priests might wear a Roman collar with a black suit and (horror!) might even be clean shaven. I think the most scandalous thing I have heard of in an Orthodox parish is that a very few Greek parishes have allowed organs in them. By contrast conservative jurisdictions or diocese will discourage wearing western clerical attire, not permit smoking by the clergy, and some parishes will not have western style pews (one of my pet peeves).

The theological nuttiness that is fairly common in the Latin Church generally does not exist in the Orthodox Church. This is not to say we have less sinning going on. A quick glance at the divorce and abortion rates for Greece and Russia will put a quick end to that theory. But we don't have people running around saying women should be ordained as priests or gay people should be allowed to marry in the Church. There are no "Orthodox Christians for Abortion Rights" groups. It's not impossible that there are some people raised in the Orthodox Church who might subscribe to those views. But those that do tend to either leave the faith or keep their opinions to themselves. If anything its more likely you would stumble onto some weird ultra-conservative old calendarist sect that claims to be the "True Orthodox Church" or some such nonsense. They have as much standing with us as sede vecantists do in the Roman Catholic Church.
8 posted on 03/08/2006 9:47:52 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: Conservative til I die
"I would think Catholicism makes more sense for a converting Anglican. Putting my bias toward my own faith aside, culturally and ritually, Anglicans share more in common with Western Catholicism. Although I guess in a way I'm using one of my biggest beefs against Orthodoxy (ethno-centrism) to make my case *for* Catholicism."

I can understand that point of view. The form of worship in Anglicanism, especially High Church liturgy is much closer to pre-Vatican II Catholic worship. And for many people the Byzantine rite is so alien that it can be an impediment to conversion. I know at least two people who are theologically Orthodox but would not convert due to their difficulty relating to the rites. Although I am extremely comfortable with with the Byzantine Liturgy and the attendant rites, I have become something of a lone champion on FR of the small but growing Western Rite of the Orthodox Church.
9 posted on 03/08/2006 10:02:59 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: jecIIny
It seems to me, and many others, that Rome is experiencing a re-discovery of the Protestant Reformation with people like Archbishop Weakland of Milwaukee, Anna Quindlen, Rosemary Radford-Reuther and Richard McBrien leading the charge much like a new vision5 of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and Cranmer!

These folks aren't exactly on the cutting edge. They'll be dead or senile in two or three decades, tops. Is he seriously invoking Newsweek's Anna Quindlen as a Catholic thinker? That is really funny.

Wish him the best, though.

10 posted on 03/08/2006 11:40:13 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: ArrogantBustard; NYer; AnAmericanMother

Thanks! I wonder what I would have done had I not had my group of Catholic friends, one of whom goes to your parish, St. Veronica. Several of them had gone to St. Timothy when my Fr. O'Brien was pastor there, and the recommended him. He was at St. James by that time, so I went there, saw solid liturgy and no foolishness. I had considered both Eastern Orthodoxy and Eastern Rite Catholicism, and if I'd not found St. James and Fr. O'Brien, there is a good possibility that I'd be an Eastern Christian of some sort today.


11 posted on 03/09/2006 4:16:58 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: jecIIny; Kolokotronis
It's possible there are some goofy Orthodox parishes. But I have never found one. Coming from Catholicism I would have to say that your odds of finding an orthodox (small 'o') parish will vary from diocese to diocese. I have stumbled on more than my share of radical liberalism in the Catholic Church. I have of course also found very conservative and good parishes. But in some diocese they are the minority. Thats not the case in Orthodoxy

The same arguments could have been said, reversing the Western Church with the Eastern Church and vice versus, when relating the first 1000 years of Christianity, especially during the time of Arianism, Nestorianism, and Monophysitism. The East was seen as the fickle brother who moved and flowed with the tide of culture and the emperor-in-power's flavor. We in the West have undergone massive cultural changes in the last 50 years. It is not surprising that the Western branch of Apostolic Christianity is trying to get a feel for itself. There are many churches that seem liberal, others more orthodox. We are a sign of our times and culture, just as the Eastern churches of Constantinople were in the first millenium.

I don't see this as one half being better than the other. Just as men, our churches face our own respective hurdles in coming to Christ. Just as men, during different points of our lives, we struggle, and at other times, we are at peace. We in the West are undergoing our "Dark Night of the Soul", a time of purging - just as churches in the East have faced the same actions, brought on by a loving God.

Regards

12 posted on 03/09/2006 4:21:47 AM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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"It's possible there are some goofy Orthodox parishes. But I have never found one."

I have! And they are goofy usually for one of two reasons. First, because they are more ethnic clubs than parishes of The One Church and second, because they are made up of converts, usually from Protestantism, they are simply a bunch of Protestantants playing at Orthodox forms. In fact, the latter has so infected elements of the Orthodox Church here that the SCOBA approved "Sunday School" curriculum is nothing more than a sola scriptura, every man a pope mess! I don't blame the converts; I blame the hierarchs that allow these parishes to exist without proper oversight.

I do think that the Latin Church in this country has rather seriously gone off the rails, but trust me, Orthodoxy isn't even remotely immune from whackiness!


13 posted on 03/09/2006 4:29:42 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: jecIIny; aomagrat; GipperCT; MarMema; crazykatz; don-o; JosephW; lambo; MoJoWork_n; newberger; ...
You and FormerLib are pretty much my list.

Then I'd better get going on this, eh?

14 posted on 03/09/2006 6:07:21 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: jecIIny

Good article, well thought out. I work with a Conservative Episcopalian (oxymoron?) that I would bet dollars to donuts would become a Catholic if we still used the 1962 Missal or if there were a Universal indult.

I think this is valuable article to Catholics as a commentary on how an outsider views Liturgical innovation.

Thank God for Benedict XVI

One question arises though: What became of his compatriot Cannon Kimmet?


15 posted on 03/09/2006 6:10:25 AM PST by Cheverus
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To: Kolokotronis

I heard from an Orthodox gentleman I know (former ELCA) that one of the Parishes in Boston has a goofy reputation....it would seem that in the Orthodoxy Parishes goofiness depends on the Priest while in Catholic Parishes Goofiness depends on the Nuns.


16 posted on 03/09/2006 6:12:29 AM PST by Cheverus
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To: Cheverus

"...it would seem that in the Orthodoxy Parishes goofiness depends on the Priest while in Catholic Parishes Goofiness depends on the Nuns."

LOL! But you know, we keep our nuns locked up in monasteries where they can cause little or no trouble. :)


17 posted on 03/09/2006 6:19:48 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Dear AnAmericanMother,

It's also interesting that some of the looneys that the author names - Rembert Weakland, Richard O'Brien, etc. - are folks who are already passing from the scene.

I have a friend who is a professor at the Catholic University of America, in philosophy. He tells me that the heretical old guard is still doing their best to hang on. However, they've mostly lost their grip in the philosophy department, and their hold in the theology department is beginning to slip, as well. The movement to orthodoxy is already set in place, as the large bulk of the younger faculty are charter memberes of the Ratzinger Fan Club.


sitetest


18 posted on 03/09/2006 6:30:22 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
I'm glad to hear that my fellow parishoners are, by the Grace of God, helping folks get pointed in the right direction. Funny thing is, if you had ended up in the liturgical East, you might be hanging out with some other of my friends at Holy Transfiguration. Small world ...
19 posted on 03/09/2006 6:35:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Melkites are good folks!


20 posted on 03/09/2006 7:03:12 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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