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So, what do you think about this article. Could they possibly clone Jesus, who in turn could become the anti-christ?
1 posted on 03/07/2006 9:34:19 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
You're citing PRAVDA as a source? What do The Onion and Scrappleface have to say on the matter?
2 posted on 03/07/2006 9:36:46 PM PST by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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I just finished a series of books based on this idea. Pretty entertaining reading up until the last bit. I'll try and find the title and author and post it later.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 9:38:12 PM PST by Uriah_lost (http://www.wingercomics.com/d/20051205.html)
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"So, what do you think about this article."

I say to the author of this article, forget the article! Write the novel before that OTHER guy does, and make much dinero!


5 posted on 03/07/2006 9:41:50 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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First off this very strange. I have never heard of any cloning theory and the antichrist. I think they are reaching. However Its a curious Question. To be honest I have never thought out the whole "how the anti Christ comes into existance thing' out very much. My hunch is no. I think the Immaculate Conecption of the Virgin MAry would rule that possibility out. That combined with the fact that Christ precious blood is holy and in fact is consumned by hundred of millions each week also make me say no.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 9:44:28 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Iam1ru1-2
This was the plot of an episode of "The Outer Limits" when it was running on the cable channel Showtime. David Ogden Stiers played a scientist who had cloned DNA taken from the Shroud of Turin and implanted it in a female host. The result was a child who was telekenetic.

It was one of their better episodes.

8 posted on 03/07/2006 9:45:53 PM PST by Publius
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To: Alamo-Girl; Angelas; Bellflower; Buggman; GregoTX; HiTech RedNeck; Carpe Cerevisi; ...
Shroud Ping list PING! - for article from Pravda (means "Truth" in Russian) which is somewhat far from the truth.

If you want on or off the Shroud of Turin Ping List, Freepmail me.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 11:17:23 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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This article is FULL of erroneous information. Some examples:

Famous chemist Alan Adler who studied samples of the shroud of Turin, the legendary burial cloth into which Jesus Christ was wrapped after crucifixion, made a sensational statement not long ago.

The researcher said there was blood on the shroud and it was shed by a man who died a violent death.

Let's see... Dr. Alan Adler DIED over five years ago, so he couldn't have made a "sensational statment not long ago."

In 1988, three laboratories from England, Switzerland and the US conducted a radiocarbon analysis and made a conclusion that the fabric of which the shroud was made was produced in the 14th century. In other words, the laboratories stated the shroud was a fake. And it was just recently that the erroneous conclusions were disproved. Russian researchers removed the cause of the doubts.

Russia's Doctor of chemistry Dmitry Kuznetsov conducted several experiments to persuade his colleagues that they were mistaken when determined the cloth dated back to the 14th century. He said the results of the radiocarbon analysis were distorted with excessive carbon that the fabric absorbed during a fire that the shroud had stood. He stated that in fact the shroud was older than traditionally believed and was at least 2,000 years old.

Uh, No. While the C-14 tests have been conclusively invalidated, Kuznetsov proved nothing of the kind... to distort the date by 1200 - 1300 years would require the addition of approximately 65% NEW carbon from 16th Century sources (the fire was in 1532) and that much Carbon Soot would be VERY obvious. The real reason the C-14 tests are invalid is because the tested piece included a 16th Century PATCH invisibly rewoven into original Shroud linen cloth... and yes, there was about 65% percent new material in that piece that was tested.

John the Baptist associated coming of an antichrist with the Number of the Beast: " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast : for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." It was for a long period of time that the rebus was a mystery for people. Some even believed a man would come with the Number of the Beast, 666, written on his head.

Who?! John the Baptist wrote Revelations???? Sheesh... Good Grief... to quote Charlie Brown...

20 posted on 03/07/2006 11:28:59 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
While there is blood on the Shroud (Adler, et al), and it is human blood, the blood is so old that any DNA is far too degraded to successfully clone ANYTHING from it. What DNA has been found are small fragments.

There is another problem as well... the Shroud has been around (for either 700 or 2000 years) and handled by other human beings who left small pieces of themselves through hair, sloughed skin cells, sweat, saliva (it has been kissed frequently), and any other way that a human body can shed DNA... on the shroud. Who is to tell whose DNA the researcher really found.

What this article is is the first of many you will see in the press during the lead up to Easter. You will also see rehashes of discredited theories, absurd TV "documentaries" such as a couple that propose that Leonard Da Vinci created the Shroud 101 years before he was born (or that he replaced the REAL "fake" Lirey shroud with his own, better "fake" Turin Shroud made by photography!) Someone will announce that they have PROVED the Shroud to be a fake because they have made one that "sorta looks like it" and the MSM will fall all over themselves publishing it. It happens every year.

We who DO know the latest research and scholarship about the Shroud of Turin, like Shroudie and myself, will spend a lot of time debunking the bunk.

21 posted on 03/07/2006 11:41:06 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
They could probably get a much better sample from the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano.
23 posted on 03/08/2006 4:30:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Lots of sci fi stories based off of this. Some from the late 60's.

Part of me wonders if there isn't some out there who would think this would be a good idea.
25 posted on 03/08/2006 5:59:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
I think we're a long way from cloning, if it's ever going to be possible. They'd need to make sure they have COMPLETE, to the last DNA sequence to know if they're really getting a copy of the original.

So, I'm not sure they CAN clone Him but if they do, then I'd say, Yes it could turn out to be the anti-Christ. The problem is they'd only be cloning the BODY, not the Spirit. The question is whether the cloned body has a soul since it was not conceived in the usual way. If they have a body and it contains no soul, it would have no protection from being inhabited.

26 posted on 03/08/2006 6:18:10 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Shock....and awe....


30 posted on 03/08/2006 8:23:50 AM PST by auto power
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Well, if complete, clonable DNA were found in the blood on the Shroud, after 2000 years...that WOULD a miracle, wouldn't it?

"Incorruption" is, I believe, the technical theological term for that sort of miracle.


31 posted on 03/08/2006 8:45:46 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Could they possibly clone Jesus

Jesus' twin brother Thomas was neither another Christ nor Antichrist. Cloning wouldn't get them any closer than that.

33 posted on 03/08/2006 9:35:56 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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"So, what do you think about this article. Could they possibly clone Jesus, who in turn could become the anti-christ?"

I have to reject the whole I idea because, even if it were possible by science, I cannot believe God would allow His Son's precious blood to bring about the anti-christ. I just can't get there.


44 posted on 03/08/2006 5:01:29 PM PST by Birmingham Rain
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Who are these people? Do they claim they are scientists what?

In case they have not figured it out, PEOPLE ARE BOT CLONED.

Perhaps a body maybe cloned one day, and even that will not be the same. So what they inject some dna material into a foreign cell. Do they actually think the result is another copied human being of the genetic material? YooHoo, Hello Hello, you don't clone life.

Well apparenlty they think they do. If you really look at it cloning is a very crude brutish method. Frankenstein and Mengele medicine at the cellular level.

Wolf
56 posted on 03/08/2006 10:36:37 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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Several years ago I had an idea for a book. I thought Steven King would be the perfect author.

What if DNA was extracted from the Shroud of Turin! What if it was used to clone the individual depicted on the cloth!
What if the man was born not from woman but from science! The implication of this scenario rocks me to the core of my soul and being.

Lucifer must have had a soul at his creation, but he forsake it. This potential being will have no soul. He will have no accountability to the CREATOR. He will be satan and will exist to wreak utter destruction in our world and consciousness.

Many will believe him to be the returned christ.

There are other scenarios for the appearance of the antichrist.....each would be equally awesome.

Christians need to become educated and realize that science may have the single most purpouseful role in presenting the antichrist in the flesh.

Only the CREATOR is responsible for creating our human DNA and Satan is using it!
This scenario seems so easy, right? I think perhaps, we are being setup.

Jesus Christ is truly our Saviour. If you don’t believe in UFO and the aliens.......well, it’s all true also. The world is ready to accept them...........the media has set the stage. They are NOT benevolent!!
They are interested in our spiritual selves. If the antichrist appears from a UFO, will anyone not accept the technology he will give our world? He’s been here forever, right? The aliens built the pyramids, right? Well, satan was in the Garden of Eden.........he’s been here forever.

Maybe the stage is set for our generation.........Jesus says no man will know the hour. Christians need to be vigilant...........is this the generation that will do battle? I don’t know, nor does anyone.

When I go to bed, I ask God to please keep my family safe.


63 posted on 04/25/2007 7:42:00 AM PDT by patfc
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