[NZerFromHK]

Hasn't John Stott gone astray over the his support of soul annihilation? (Those who die with trusting in Jesus Christ will suffer soul destruction after the Great White Throne i.e. no eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire)

Besides, his suggestions of not separating for the time being contradict the Bible teaches on the balance. This page refutes such ideas:

http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/separate/bibdocse.htm

[jecIIny]

"If the Church were to deny one of the central truths of the creed, like the incarnation, the atonement or the resurrection, it would cease to be a church. It would be apostate. Then we would be obliged to leave it. But thank God that lamentable situation has not arrived. The time to leave has not come."

I am very reluctant to directly attack someone else's faith. But the author is mistaken. The creed is regularly denied. I doubt 10 percent of those who recite it in ECUSA parishes on Sundays actually believe it. There is as far as I am to discern not one article of faith someone is required to adhere to as a condition to receiving communion in an Episcopal Church. Bishops Pike and Spong are on record denying even the most basic elements of the Christian Faith and yet no action was taken against them. If you are an Episcopalian you are in communion with Bishop Spong. The Episcopal Church has denied as a matter of fact if not in theory, the innerrancy of scripture. They have proclaimed the normalcy and even the virtue of that which scripture clearly identifies as sin. This is institutional heresy and yes even apostasy. ECUSA is not a church. It is not Christian. And those who remain in it, are collaborating with the aforementioned sins.

[torqemada]

NUTS! To stay in IS to give in - there is NO third option. To claim that anyone can stay in the ECUSA without giving in to the heresy is engaging in doublespeak. What this is really all about is a desperate attempt to keep the orthodox in the pews & the parishes in the Diocese in hopes that that passage of time & the constant exposure to wickedness & sin will desensitize these people to the violence that is being done to the faith, the church, & their own souls. It's very much like the kids that are exposed to increasingly graphic & savage violence through TV, movies & video games. Or, the person who exposes themselves to increasingly perverse pornography. Eventually, nothing is too violent - nothing is too perverse - nothing shocks - it all becomes too familiar & is eventually regarded as "normal."

No one should be fooled by such preposterous proposals as "staying in, but not giving in." It's is a concept born of mischief & lies.

[walden]

God help us all, I think he's right. It's just like raising teenagers-- you just hang in there and suffer through it. Sheesh. This IS the hard way, the narrow path.

[i.l.e.]

The Sunday night guest on coast to coast was a hindu catholic priest/ physician anf friend of the late Father Malachi Martin and Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy. He discussed the current state of the Catholic Church, exorcisms and the nature of evil.

One of his more interesting statements was that G_D was letting the church disintegrate only to be reborn - as a remnant- since as a whole - the church had failed to provide as intended.

[Kolokotronis]

I've quoted him before.

"Even if one should give away all his possessions in the world, and yet be in communion with heresy, he cannot be a friend of God, but is rather an enemy." +Theodore the Studite

[jkl1122]

In order to be pleasing to God, the only solution is to do as he has commanded in His Word. A good first step would be to break any affiliation with any church that was founded by men.

[kaehurowing]

I generally like Stott a lot but think he is wrong on this. The problem is that Stott views the revisionists as people who eventually can be re-converted to Christianity by "witness." The fact is that they are non-Christian parasites living off the Body of Christ. Not only do they compromise the Gospel, but they suck the energy and money out of Christians. How can you witness for Christ if you spend all your time having to defend against heresy in your "own" church?

You have two options with a parasite: you kill it or starve it to death. At this point you cannot get them out so you have to starve them to death. Which means cutting off all support to the structures that feed them, whether financial, moral or membership.

If people remain inside, they can preach all they want but no one will pay attention, they will simply be tolerated so long as they continue to support the structure.

All the orthodox Christians pulling out of ECUSA and the other corrupted denominations will cause the structure to collapse, wither and die.