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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Psalm 45:9 Kings' daughters are among your honorable women. At your right hand the queen stands in gold of Ophir."
If you read this Christologically, as the Church always has, you realize that if Christ is the King, his mother is ---- ta-daah! --- the Queen Mother."

Obviously this is your church's teaching. Your church encourages you to pray to her and elevates her status to that of a equal of GOD. Look at the title this church uses, a variation of it is not uncommon.

Pagans use to have the "Queen of Babylon" that they prayed to. I'm not sure but I suspect that this where all this began in your church, when pagans were incorporated into the church during Constantine's era they brought some of their beliefs with them. Whatever caused this misplaced worship doesn't really matter, its wrong.
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"Besides, it's God's delight to humble the exalted and exalt the humble. And it would be hard to find anybody more humble than Mary of Galilee."

I certainly can't disagree. Mary was truly blessed and was a noble servant of GOD. She is not a co-redemptress.
81 posted on 03/01/2006 7:47:18 PM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way!)
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To: wmfights
and elevates her status to that of a equal of GOD.

Incorrect.

She is not a co-redemptress.

If you'e going to attempt to critique at least put forth the effort to be accurate. The term is Co-redemptrix, which is Latin for the woman with the Redeemer, not the woman equal to the Redeemer. The Church has never taught that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the equal of Christ. Quite the contrary.

92 posted on 03/01/2006 8:52:53 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: wmfights
You wrote: "Your church encourages you to pray to [Mary] and elevates her status to that of a equal of GOD...Whatever caused this misplaced worship doesn't really matter, its wrong."

I can really understand your concern and your rejection of the worship of Mary (or any other creature.) But hasn't anyone ever explained to you that Catholics don't worship Mary? That is, we must never "worship" her in the sense of giving the supreme honor and adoration due to God alone.

We do honor Mary as I'm sure Jesus Himself did --- since He certainly obeyed the commandment to "Honor thy father and thy mother." Mary is creature, disciple, servant... also addressed by the Angel Gabriel with what must be even MORE than merely a royal title, "Full of Grace" Gratia Plena. Panagia. There's really nobody else even remotely suited to have the title of "Queen" --- and thus fulfill all that Old Testament typography --- except for Mary most humble. Or who else would you suggest?

You wrote: "Mary was truly blessed and was a noble servant of GOD. She is not a co-redemptress."

Right you are. Let's agree to agree on that!

110 posted on 03/02/2006 8:28:53 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Ave Maria, Gratia Plena, Dominus tecum.)
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To: wmfights
Pagans use to have the "Queen of Babylon" that they prayed to. I'm not sure but I suspect that this where all this began in your church, when pagans were incorporated converted into the church during Constantine's era they brought some of their beliefs with them.

No.

It goes back a bit further than Constantine. One of those books, in fact, that the father of protestantism, Martin Luther found so unworthy, difficult to accomodate in HOPIOS, and that he relegated to an appendix in his first German Bible:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mary, Queen of Heaven, as described by her adopted son.
145 posted on 03/03/2006 5:30:54 AM PST by ventana
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