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To: wmfights
Pagans use to have the "Queen of Babylon" that they prayed to. I'm not sure but I suspect that this where all this began in your church, when pagans were incorporated converted into the church during Constantine's era they brought some of their beliefs with them.

No.

It goes back a bit further than Constantine. One of those books, in fact, that the father of protestantism, Martin Luther found so unworthy, difficult to accomodate in HOPIOS, and that he relegated to an appendix in his first German Bible:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Mary, Queen of Heaven, as described by her adopted son.
145 posted on 03/03/2006 5:30:54 AM PST by ventana
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To: ventana; wmfights
The "Queen of Heaven" in Scripture is a pagan goddess.

Jeremiah 7:18  
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,
to make cakes to the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:17
 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth,
to burn incense unto the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jeremiah 44:18  
But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jeremiah 44:19  
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven,
and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

The Jews were punished and suffered for leaving the One True God and serving the "Queen of Heaven."

Re. 12:1 and that whole chapter is describing Israel, not Mary.

Revelation 12:1
 ¶And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Mary was never a great wonder.

152 posted on 03/03/2006 7:28:37 AM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: ventana
"Pagans use to have the "Queen of Babylon" that they prayed to. I'm not sure but I suspect that this where all this began in your church, when pagans were incorporated converted into the church during Constantine's era they brought some of their beliefs with them.

No."
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Pagans came into the church and nothing changed, non of your practices, doctrine or titles.

Where did the name pontiff come from?

Under Constantine the church and state were one.

Under Constantine changes in worship included incense being used, choirs were developed, riches and pomp were seen as GOD'S favor (until this time Christianity was largely a faith of the poor). Churches were built on top of martyrs graves and bones were put on display - you would receive special consideration by touching the martyr's bones.

Under Constantine the power of the State was used to punish heretics. If you don't believe the State's doctrine you are a heretic.

As Pagans were forced into the church and baptized they brought in their tradition of praying to various gods for specific things, that was changed to praying to Saints.
166 posted on 03/03/2006 9:39:58 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way!)
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