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To: ventana; wmfights
The "Queen of Heaven" in Scripture is a pagan goddess.

Jeremiah 7:18  
The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough,
to make cakes to the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:17
 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth,
to burn incense unto the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jeremiah 44:18  
But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven,
and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jeremiah 44:19  
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven,
and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

The Jews were punished and suffered for leaving the One True God and serving the "Queen of Heaven."

Re. 12:1 and that whole chapter is describing Israel, not Mary.

Revelation 12:1
 ¶And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Mary was never a great wonder.

152 posted on 03/03/2006 7:28:37 AM PST by Full Court (Baptist History now at www.baptistbookshelf.com)
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To: Full Court

"Re. 12:1 and that whole chapter is describing Israel, not Mary.

Revelation 12:1
¶And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Mary was never a great wonder."

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Thank you for such a quick thoughtful response. I was just reading Revelations 12 1-17 to compose a response.

I might add REV 12:6 " The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by GOD, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." The time frame is 3.5 years 1/2 the time frame of the tribulation.


157 posted on 03/03/2006 9:05:51 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way!)
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To: Full Court
"Re. 12:1 and that whole chapter is describing Israel, not Mary.

Revelation 12:1 ¶And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Mary was never a great wonder."

You will have to provide me with some references to support the tradition that a Biblical passage about a woman who carried the Messiah, pained to be delivered (gave birth in a manger), evaded his murder, delivered the child unto the Throne (had him consecrated in the House of the Lord), fled persecution into the wilderness (fled to Egypt), whose children profess the testimony of Jesus Christ can not possibly be about the Messiah's mother.

You can't allow yourself to see that Mary's relationship to Eve, being the chosen vessel of the end of the fall of man as Eve was the inception of the fall is indeed a great wonder? Really? Eve:"my will" Mary:"Your will" You don't see it?

How can that not be wonderful to you?

207 posted on 03/03/2006 5:13:12 PM PST by ventana
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