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Again, For the Record
Feb. 28, 2006 | Alice C. Linsley

Posted on 02/28/2006 10:34:33 AM PST by Alice Linsley

Having read the comments made to For the Record, I would like to clarify certain points. I renounced my priesthood because after much consideration and study, I had to face these facts.

1. Women are not ordained priests in either Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism. Women are given numerous other significant roles in those churches, but not the office of priest. We do well to recognize that these churches continue in the Tradition of 2000 years in upholding this decision.

2. The Protestant use of Scripture passages to justify ordaining women as pastors, not priests, is beside the point since we are speaking or "catholic orders."

3. Any interpretation of Scripture that separates it from Tradition will lead to error. Some errors are more serious that others.

4. ECUSA does not hold to Catholic orders or respect the historic tension of Scripture and Tradition.

5. The question of women's ordination has never been submitted for open deliberation in Anglicanism. It was presented as a done deal by ECUSA, along with the 1979 ECUSA (revisionist) prayer book.

6. Many orthodox people left ECUSA in the 1970's because of these 2 innovations, weakening ECUSA further.

I have written extensively on these points. These writings are available on the internet at various sites. I encourage readers to consider those writings posted at Pontifications, Drell’s Descants, David Virtue’s blog, and Free Republic. I encourage you to read the essays in the series on the 1979 Catechism Exposed and my thoughts on the significance of binary distinctions for spiritual health and guidance.


TOPICS: Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: ecusa; ordination; swimthetiber

1 posted on 02/28/2006 10:34:34 AM PST by Alice Linsley
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To: Alice Linsley+; LibreOuMort
Alice, I cannot even imagine what it took to do what you have done, but you remain in our prayers.

May God bless you.. and keep up the writing!

2 posted on 02/28/2006 12:07:05 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006)
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3 posted on 02/28/2006 12:07:39 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006)
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To: Alice Linsley+

Thanks..I have enjoyed, and learned from, your writings..


4 posted on 02/28/2006 12:23:57 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Alice Linsley+
Be of good cheer. It will work out in God's good time.

I was a sixth-generation Episcopalian - there's some inertia for you, though nothing on a par with giving up ones career. My family and I hesitated for a long time, even though the writing was plainly on the wall and had been since the first days of Pike and Spong.

We found a happy and welcoming home in the Catholic church - a wonderful, orthodox parish with priests who preach the Gospel with fervor. (And we didn't even have to give up our beautiful English music, because the choirmaster is a huge fan of Tallis, Byrd, et al. You'd think that wouldn't matter, but to somebody whose family have been church musicians since the 1890s . . . )

My only regret is that we didn't cross the Tiber sooner. As I've told others on FR, we were mourning beside a dead body when the Church was alive and well and waiting patiently for us, just around the corner.

We will keep you in our prayers.

5 posted on 02/28/2006 12:38:06 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks, American Mother. I am much encouraged by your remarks. Many who have gone to Rome have spoken similar sentiments. I will be wonderful simply to worship without ECUSA's din ringing in my ears.


6 posted on 02/28/2006 1:52:29 PM PST by Alice Linsley
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To: AnAmericanMother; Alice Linsley+
My only regret is that we didn't cross the Tiber sooner.

I concur. I left in the middle of being on a rector search committee. Talk about leaving with maximum exposure! But once we were in the safety of the Church away from the heterodoxy, it's amazing how much spiritual growth has occurred, how much I'm learning.

Alice, you talked at Pontifications about the freedom to able to focus on spiritual matters. I must confess that the last couple of years in ECUSA, I found that I used my own spiritual walk as an example, as a badge almost. I was living in a fishbowl because I was the ringleader of dissenting voices from GC2003. I didn't realize, until I left, that it had become a point of pride for me.

I pray for you rest from your weariness, joy in the fullness of the faith, and healing in the Real Body and Blood of Christ.

7 posted on 02/28/2006 2:18:26 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Alice Linsley+
God bless you, and your decision, and please understand, from the view point of someone who would be referred to as "protestant" (I serve in a Southern Baptist church). Even protestant arguments supporting female pastors fail when you view 1 Tim 2;11,12. "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." This passage clearly states that women should not be in leadership positions over men in the Church. Pastor or priest, they are both positions of leadership.
8 posted on 02/28/2006 6:48:52 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Carolina; Alice Linsley+
Wow! leaving the search committee sure took some guts! Good for you!

(I got hit on the other end -- got put on the music director search committee almost as soon as I darkened the door of our new church. . . the assistant organist was hiding his light under a bushel . . . he was filling in as an interim after the old jump-for-Jesus Oregon-Catholic-Press guy (yuk!) left . . . and we started noticing how good he was . . . turned out he had a doctorate in organ performance from Juilliard and did a Fulbright in France . . . once we heard that, it was a full-court press to get him the job. We love him and wouldn't trade him for John Rutter himself and a player to be named later . . . :-) First thing he did was get us 40 copies of the St. Gregory Hymnal so we could start singing the OLD stuff . . . )

I can't tell you how WONDERFUL it is to be working like mad at music and liturgy and making our service as beautiful as possible -- instead of political rumors and whispers and plotting and worrying about delegates to GC . . . I feel like I'm in church again instead of a political convention . . . WHAT a relief!

9 posted on 02/28/2006 7:09:05 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Alice Linsley+
Reading up the thread backwards . . .

Your sentiments are identical to mine (see my previous post). I didn't fully appreciate how rowdy and contentious and ugly and political things had gotten, until we got into safe harbour here and started worrying about things like good music and whether we could make it to the Two Hearts Service on Saturday afternoon . . . what a NICE change!

10 posted on 02/28/2006 7:11:56 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Alice Linsley+
I have a long-time friend who left her Episcopalian roots because of the changes in the 1979 ECUSA (revisionist) prayer book.
She's back at it again, trying to renew her faith. [She's now older, retired and having some trouble finding meaning in her life.]
She's finding it very difficult to fit back in.
I always found it odd that she accepted the women priests, but NOT the changes in the prayer book.

You must have done some kind of soul searching to make the change in your life. Pax vobiscum.

11 posted on 02/28/2006 7:12:23 PM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
...the assistant organist was hiding his light under a bushel...had a doctorate in organ performance from Juilliard and did a Fulbright in France . . . once we heard that, it was a full-court press to get him the job.

WOW! I'm glad his light's shining brightly now. No wonder you're in choir heaven. BTW, do you know where I can get copies of the St. Gregory Hymnal?

I got asked to be on the newly-resurrected liturgical committee at my parish which is reconsidering the V-II documents...we're reading them in light of "reform of the reform." So though the changes will be slow in coming, there are glimmers of hope.

12 posted on 02/28/2006 7:16:08 PM PST by Carolina
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To: Carolina
yeah, he and his wife had just moved down here from a big church in NYC. Just couldn't stand the winters up there any more, so they headed south and bought a farm! (what a change from Manhattan!)

But NYC's loss is our gain! And to boot he's a wonderful person, very funny, very energetic, not at all proud, always ready to impart knowledge worth gold.

You can get the St. Gregory Hymnals over at Neumann Press. It's a reprint of the 1941 Organists' Edition (with all the harmonies and accompaniments). We were able to negotiate a quantity discount off the posted price.

13 posted on 02/28/2006 7:23:35 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Carolina
yeah, he and his wife had just moved down here from a big church in NYC. Just couldn't stand the winters up there any more, so they headed south and bought a farm! (what a change from Manhattan!)

But NYC's loss is our gain! And to boot he's a wonderful person, very funny, very energetic, not at all proud, always ready to impart knowledge worth gold.

You can get the St. Gregory Hymnals over at Neumann Press. It's a reprint of the 1941 Organists' Edition (with all the harmonies and accompaniments). We were able to negotiate a quantity discount off the posted price.

14 posted on 02/28/2006 7:23:35 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sionnsar; Alice Linsley+

I echo my husband's sentiments. Your candor and thoughtfulness might just give courage to other women to re-examine their roles in the church and make choices that are pleasing to God. I commend your courage in making your reflections available for all to consider. May you find blessed refreshment and peace as you follow the works He has prepared for you to walk in. Your light is shining brightly tonight. Thank You!


15 posted on 02/28/2006 10:35:07 PM PST by LibreOuMort ("...But as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry)
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To: Alice Linsley+
While I am quite sure that we could find much theology to argue about, I admire your character, courage, and conviction.

May the Lord bless you as you continue down your path.
16 posted on 03/01/2006 1:40:11 AM PST by PAR35
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