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Posted on 02/27/2006 12:06:12 PM PST by HarleyD

Question

Is cussing necessarily a sin?

Answer

The short answer is "no, not necessarily." Here's the long answer:

I think the language issue is largely one of wisdom. Passages like Proverbs 10:31; Matthew 15:11; Ephesians 4:29; Colossians 3:8; and James 3 certainly show us the importance of our speech and its content, but I don't think they are clear enough to suggest that some words may never be used to convey that content. I think these verses are best explained as exhortations to use our speech in profitable manners which glorify God. But the actual words we use to accomplish that may vary from setting to setting. At some times, profanity is the proper way to communicate clearly and to glorify God. I'll provide a true example, with the hopes that it does not offend you too deeply:

My friend and fellow seminarian was witnessing on the street to some of the Goth crowd who were into Wicca. Their own language was vulgar, but they did not perceive it as vulgar. In presenting the gospel to them, in an attempt to communicate to them on a level that they could really understand, my friend pointed out the fact to them that since the Fall, the world has been "totally f**ked up." Their response was a contemplative and agreeing "yeah." In my judgment, this falls under the category of being all things to all people (1 Cor. 9:19-22).

On a very important level, a word is just a word. It is society's perception of that word that makes it vulgar, or rather, the perception of a portion of society. Parts of society consider some words "impolite," "profane" or "vulgar" regardless of the content they convey, but other parts of society do not consider these same words to be vulgar. In fact, "vulgar" does not describe a word as "bad" or "evil," but rather "common" or "low class." "Profane" does not mean "evil" or "gross," but simply "worldly" or "non-sacred." The "bad words" are the ones that cultured society does not use, but which lower class people (or by association, the "bad people") do use.

Over time, in our society these words began to cause negative reactions in some people because they considered them to be offensive. However, there is nothing magical/spiritual in the sounds or meanings of the words themselves that caused this association. Rather, it was the contexts in which these words were generally used. For nearly every profane word usage, there is another non-profane way to say the same thing that does not cause the same negative reactions in those who are more sensitive to profanity. But this does not mean that the words themselves are somehow evil sounds.

Perhaps the most important factor that makes me lean "in favor" of profanity is the fact that the Bible itself uses language in ways that may be considered profane, and it nowhere explicitly prohibits the use of indelicate language. Examples of "vulgar" language in the Bible are impossible to "prove," but are also impossible to "disprove." The evidence, however, seems to favor vulgarity. Here are a few samples:

And what are we to do with actual English speaking cultures or sub-cultures wherein no language is taboo? In their "dialects," these words do not carry the same offensive meaning that they do in the Christian, polite, or high societies. To complicate the picture even further, those in higher echelons of Western society use vulgar language. How do we now determine what is inappropriate language? What is the standard? Do we stick by cultural taboos? If so, from what do they derive authority?

Yes, we can broadly apply ideas such as "give no offense to anyone" (1 Cor. 10:32), which is really about eating food sacrificed to idols. But even in that context, the point is that there are appropriate times to do the "offensive" thing. We can also appeal to passages like Ephesians 4:29: "Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth." But again, the Bible does not tell us that certain words fall into this category. Rather, the point seems to be the effect or intention of the words, not whether or not those words are acceptable to sensitive or polite society.

Now, I say this as someone who formerly used profanity extensively, but who now feels uncomfortable even to hear it used. I don't use that language because in my current society people don't appreciate it, and they take it as greatly offensive. I am among those who don't use it, so I don't use it. However, if my situation were reversed, it might be less offensive to use it than to appear "better than" the people whose company I was keeping.


TOPICS: Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: cussing; language; profanity; protestant; sin
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I don't agree with this author but thought it was an interesting perspective. Most of his Biblical examples are from non-Christians with the exception of Paul. Even then his argument seems weak.
1 posted on 02/27/2006 12:06:13 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

What the heart is proceed from the mouth...


2 posted on 02/27/2006 12:09:08 PM PST by tmp02
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To: HarleyD
Commandment #3

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Saying GD is a sin

3 posted on 02/27/2006 12:13:09 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: tmp02
I found his end statement to be interesting:

Perhaps there is some conviction here?
4 posted on 02/27/2006 12:13:43 PM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

...or Jesus ("I and my Father are one")


5 posted on 02/27/2006 12:16:19 PM PST by tmp02
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To: HarleyD
Reminds me of a preacher who's convinced any consumption of alcohol is a sin.

Oh, and it just so happens his absent father was a drunk.

6 posted on 02/27/2006 12:33:27 PM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Though from the Hebrew: "Thou shalt not carry..." is claiming to love God while living an ungodly life profoundly worse.
7 posted on 02/27/2006 1:02:20 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Saying GD is a sin

You know, I've wondered about that for a long time. Seriously.

The word rendered "take" in KJV is the Hebrew word "nasa' " (Str 05375). It is usually rendered "lift up," "bear up," "exult," etc.

The word rendered "the name" in KJV is the Hebrew word "shem" (Str 08034). The interesting thing about this word is that it not only is used of a person's name, but also of his reputation, fame, renown. (There are two other words used, naqab and qara' that don't have that implication to them).

The word rendered "in vain" in KJV is the Hebrew word "shav' " (Str 07723). It means emptiness, vanity, lying, worthlessness, etc.

I bring these two words up because I question if it is merely saying "GD" or "JC" or whatever, or if the meaning is much more profound than that...is it maybe more like any invocation of the Lord in an empty fashion?

Is making a statement that you are going to pray for a person and lift them up to God, when you really have no intention of doing so, a violation of this commandment?

Is stating that "God will get you" -- when He really won't -- a violation of this commandment?

Is invoking any kind of a "divine" curse on somebody a violation of this commandment?

Is taking God lightly in any way a violation of this commandment?

Something I've considered for a long time. Thought it'd be interesting to you folk...fwiw

8 posted on 02/27/2006 1:26:06 PM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: HarleyD
I mostly share this guy's perspective.

Profanity is at worst an impolite violation of societal norms. Blasphemy is not. That's why, in my mind, using a scatological term is much less of a problem than shouting "G------m it!"

An interesting story. One of my close friend's grandfather is an old Methodist preacher. One Sunday morning, he stood up to preach in a mostly-older congregation. He said, "People are dying and going to hell, and you don't give a sh-t." Pause for effect. I guess you could have heard a pin drop. "In fact, you're more offended that I said 'sh-t' than you are at the fact that people are dying and going to hell, and you're doing nothing to stop it."

A very powerful message - but one that you have to have some serious gravitas to pull off. I definately couldn't.

9 posted on 02/27/2006 1:42:31 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: HarleyD

I wish I never learned to curse.


10 posted on 02/27/2006 1:44:02 PM PST by Feiny ("Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back." Ann Coulter)
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To: markomalley
Is taking God lightly in any way a violation of this commandment?

I would say so. We should never speak or think about God except with the utmost reverence.

Another way to violate the commandment is to claim authority from God that one does not have. That it what a false prophet does. For example, someone who tells his fellows that God wants them to commit murder is taking the Lord's name in vain. (We have seen a lot of that in the world lately.)

11 posted on 02/27/2006 3:40:43 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
. . . That it is what a false prophet does. . . .
12 posted on 02/27/2006 3:42:56 PM PST by Logophile
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To: feinswinesuksass; HarleyD
I wish I never learned to curse. says the person whose handle says someone "sucks ass." Irony.
13 posted on 02/27/2006 6:11:18 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24

Oh, that is rich.


14 posted on 02/27/2006 6:17:51 PM PST by Feiny ( "Why don't we go up to the old people's home and wax the steps? " ~ Barney Fife)
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To: Logophile

Heidelberg Q&A No. 99:

Q. What is God's will for us
in the third commandment?

A. That we neither blaspheme nor misuse the name of God
by cursing, perjury, or unnecessary oaths,
nor share in such horrible sins
by being silent bystanders.

In a word, it requires
that we use the holy name of God
only with reverence and awe,
so that we may properly
confess him,
pray to him,
and praise him in everything we do and say.


15 posted on 02/28/2006 5:38:13 AM PST by fzx12345 (Three lefts don't make a right; they invent one.)
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To: newgeezer
Reminds me of a preacher who's convinced any consumption of alcohol is a sin.

Oh, and it just so happens his absent father was a drunk.

So if unsaved people see you chugging a Breweiser on a hot day, how they gonna tell the difference between you and the lost souls down at the local pub???

And if you're going around asking God to damn this and damn that, what if He takes you up on it??? And if Christians and non-Christians act alike, how's anyone going to separate you (in their mind)???

1Th 5:22 Astain from all appearance of evil.

16 posted on 02/28/2006 1:55:25 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Iscool

Astain+Abstain


17 posted on 02/28/2006 1:58:58 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Iscool
So if unsaved people see you chugging a Breweiser on a hot day, how they gonna tell the difference between you and the lost souls down at the local pub???

Because, unlike the lost souls down at the local pub, Christians know what moderation and liberty means.

18 posted on 02/28/2006 2:48:17 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24
Because, unlike the lost souls down at the local pub

Precisely...

19 posted on 02/28/2006 6:29:54 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Iscool
So if unsaved people see you chugging a Breweiser on a hot day, how they gonna tell the difference between you and the lost souls down at the local pub???

Are you serious?

20 posted on 03/01/2006 6:05:51 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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