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To: vladimir998

None of what you posted makes any difference at all to the extent that you (or the Latin Church)believes that this means the Pope could reach into say, the Antiochian Church here in America and sua sponte, announce that the NO Mass is the required liturgy or that +Antoun must be removed or other exercises of jurisdiction in that manner. The Eastern Church doesn't "need" Rome, though some say the Latin Church "needs" Orthodoxy (I'm not one of them by the way). Insisting on a monarchial papacy will quite simply guarantee no reunion, as it has for the past 1000 years or so.

Personally I don't think Rome is insisting on that.


5 posted on 02/26/2006 6:29:21 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

You wrote:

"None of what you posted makes any difference at all to the extent that you (or the Latin Church)believes that this means the Pope could reach into say, the Antiochian Church here in America and sua sponte, announce that the NO Mass is the required liturgy..."

Since the papacy has long recognized that sui juris churches control their own liturgies that wouldn't happen today or any time in the future.

"...or that +Antoun must be removed or other exercises of jurisdiction in that manner."

I think you had better read the above info again. For someone who is EO to say the pope has no authority to involve himself in such a matter seems to ignore the history of the Eastern churches itself. And who often asked the pope to be so involved if not other EOs?

"The Eastern Church doesn't "need" Rome, though some say the Latin Church "needs" Orthodoxy (I'm not one of them by the way)."

I have seen many EOs here and elsewhere insist that no ecumenical council can take place without the Catholic Church sitting at the table. I don't see how then one could say the East doesn't need the West. Vladimir Soloviev wrote rather convincingly that it did well over a 100 years ago.

"Insisting on a monarchial papacy will quite simply guarantee no reunion, as it has for the past 1000 years or so."

Except when the EOs wanted or needed something, right? Florence ring a bell?

"Personally I don't think Rome is insisting on that."

No, the Church has been rather solicitous. It is the East that is the problem. We returned relics and art works stolen by Catholic believers decades or centuries ago. We get nothing in return. Our churches are still occupied by the Orthodox in Ukraine for instance. We give churches away to EOs in Rome as a good will gesture. Come to think of it, have the EOs done such a thing?

Church given to Bulgarian Orthodox: http://roma.katolsk.no/vincenzoeanastasio.htm

Church given to EP: http://roma.katolsk.no/teodoro.htm

Church given to the Romanian Orthodox: http://roma.katolsk.no/mariascalacoeli.htm

And the EOs even try to extort Catholics: http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/news/article;8902/


6 posted on 02/26/2006 7:49:52 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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