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To: magisterium

I agree with all you have said, but many historical events must be brought up. When did the Eastern Church sack Rome? When did the Eastern Church ignore Rome's cries for help? Did the EOC abandon the RCC to islam? We are to speak the truth in love, but first we need to speak the truth!


854 posted on 02/17/2006 8:47:41 AM PST by STD (Grab Your Ankles, I'm From the Gub'ment)
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To: STD

Thank you. I just think that your response to Cronos' orininal post 462 was not directed to what he said, and simply used it as an excuse to hurl invective. I thought he was trying to be balanced; what he said was hardly some kind of anti-Orthodox screed.

If his subject matter pertained to what you wound-up saying, then what you said would be relevant, and (while I disagree with its slant) you certainly would be within your rights to defend your Church. But this seemed to come out of nowhere.

Both of us have a hard enough time trying to defend the Apostolic Faith against the invective-laced, non-sequitur filled, doctrinally and historically misinformed avalanche of posts directed at us by our Protestant brethren daily on this forum. Neither of our groups hijacks their threads as they often do ours, or has more than a trace of the malice or disingenuous feigning of "misunderstanding" they so often demonstrate to stir the pot. Let's not do the same to each other. What I say to you I also ask of all of your fellow-Orthodox and all of my fellow-Catholics. Let's rise above the undercurrent we swim in.


856 posted on 02/17/2006 9:23:03 AM PST by magisterium
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To: STD
When did the Eastern Church sack Rome?

When did the Western Church sack Constantinople? Never -- Western armies manipulated by the Doge did so, not the Western Church: understand that difference. You statement is akin to say that the Pope commanded the war in IRaq

When did the Eastern Church ignore Rome's cries for help?

Let's remove the word Church from your sentence and say the Eastern Empire -- yes, the Eastern Empire didn't help Rome against Alaric or against Attila, the Roman Patriarchy was left on it's own until the Franks came along.

Did the EOC abandon the RCC to islam?

The Eastern EMPIRE abandoned us to the Barbarian Germanics and the Arian Germanics. Do we blame the EO CHURCH? No, that would be silly -- as silly as you blaming the Catholic Church. Do we blame the Eastern EMPIRE? Not really as they couldn't help out. Ditto with the war against the Turks -- remember that the West was fighging and winning it's own Crusade in Iberia -- Spain was rid of Muslimes in the same year as Constantinople fell.
1,046 posted on 02/19/2006 9:06:44 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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