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To: Cronos; x5452
And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, Who, together with the Father, is adored and glorified: who spoke through the prophets

Cronos, that is not the Creed we confess, never have and never will.

The Spirit, although He belongs to the Father and to the Son equally, "as regards His existence" (+Gregory Palamas) proceeds only from the Father. The Greek term used in the Creed "proceeds" implies origin. Unfortunately, the Latin term procedere does not have the same meaning, and does not express the truth to the same end.

550 posted on 02/16/2006 3:50:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; x5452

Aargh -- sorry, I meant to cut out the filioque -- should remove it directly from the word file. Apologies


553 posted on 02/16/2006 4:34:26 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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To: kosta50; x5452
should really double-check before I post. Apologies again

CREDO IN unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, et invisibilium.

Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum. Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri: per quem omnia facta sunt.

Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem descendit de coelis. Et incarnatus est de spiritu sancto ex Maria Virgine: et homo factus est. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis, sub Pontio Pilato passus, et sepultus est.

Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. Et ascendit in coelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos: cujus regni non erit finis.

Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem: qui ex Patre procedit. Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas.

Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam.

Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum.

Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. + Et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.


I BELIEVE in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages; God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary and was made man. He was also crucified for us, suffered under Pontius Pilate, and was buried. And on the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven. He sitteth at the right hand of the Father: and He shall come again with glory, to judge the living and the dead: and His kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceedeth from the Father, Who, together with the Father and the Son, is adored and glorified: who spoke through the prophets. And one, holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. And I await the resurrection of the dead and the life + of the world to come. Amen.


554 posted on 02/16/2006 4:36:49 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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