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To: AlaninSA
Our Catholic Church teaches that we are saved through grace.

Since when?

Are you saying you do not believe in infant baptism or the other sacraments?

What about your good works? Don't those count any more?

Does Rome now allow you to commit the sin of presumption and declare that you KNOW you are saved?

If you were a Bible believing Christing you could KNOW for sure and have it all settled.

1 John 5:13  These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God;
that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come,
and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true,
and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God, and eternal life.

199 posted on 02/15/2006 11:57:36 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court
If you were a Bible believing Christing you could KNOW for sure and have it all settled.

You mean Protestants who think that salvation can be lost (like, for example, Martin Luther, or Free Will Baptists, or any of a large number of other groups) are not "Bible believing Christians"?

206 posted on 02/15/2006 12:03:11 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Full Court

I'm not a Roman Catholic, but belief in the sacraments such as Communion and Baptism do not imply one is not saved by grace alone.

The non-baptist Christians that were the first to proclaim the "solas": salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, by Christ alone, with the absolute authority of scipture alone, to the glory of God alone, all taught that scripture indicates baptism and communion are A means of grace (but not the only means) if received in faith.

None taught they had the same meaning though, that Roman Catholics believe.


217 posted on 02/15/2006 12:18:25 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Full Court

You should know better than that. You've been around here a few months, and have seen many times the Catholic response on the relationship between grace and works.

All the same, for the record, we are not Pelagians. Works prior to initial justification through baptism count for nothing. Subsequent to that, cooperation with God's grace, which prompts good works and animates them, is the thing that matters. It's simple enough.


223 posted on 02/15/2006 12:26:27 PM PST by magisterium
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