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To: markomalley

I have read Trent, and understood its arguments; it was part of the Counter-Reformation, not just in memory of the Reformation but during it... (Calvin was still alive and Luther had just died when the Council convened). Actually a number of the articles referred specifically to Protestant doctrines and cursed (consigned to Hell, by the "holder of the keys" to , understood in that day--not the gentler understanding of today) anyone who held to them...it didn't just describe Roman doctrines. It's revisionist history, to pretend, as many do today, the Roman curia at that time didn't really believe all the children of the reformation hell-bound. And those of us who've studied it today are not "invincibly ignorant" either...so, I guess Trent's curses surely must apply to me.

"CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified...let him be anathema."

verses St. Paul's: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph. 2:8,9)

Back to the original subject: Please go ahead call Western Christians not under Rome's control, Protestants. But in return, you should let us call you Papists, Romanists and maybe even let us refer to the Pope as antichrist. Of course I'd rather not do that myself--so maybe instead cut the pejorative word "Protestant."

I am in Christ, a Christian. A word older than any established church organization in Rome.


196 posted on 02/15/2006 11:53:34 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
And those of us who've studied it today are not "invincibly ignorant" either

Hey, watch it. :-)

212 posted on 02/15/2006 12:07:02 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: AnalogReigns
Gee...I guess you must be excommunicated then...

In the New Testament anathema no longer entails death, but the loss of goods or exclusion from the society of the faithful. St. Paul frequently uses this word in the latter sense. In the Epistle to the Romans (ix, 3) he says: "For I wished myself to be an anathema from Christ, for my brethren, who are my kinsmen according to the flesh", i.e. "I should wish to be separated and rejected of Christ, if by that means I would procure the salvation of my brethren." And again, using the word in the same sense, he says (Gal. i, 9): "If any one preach to you a gospel besides that which you have received, let him be anathema."

- From the Catholic Encyclopedia

Anathema (Greek Word: meaning 1. to be formally set apart, 2. banished, exiled, excommunicated or 4. denounced, often misinterpreted to mean accursed).

- From the Wikipedia definition.

a detested person; "he is an anathema to me"; a formal ecclesiastical curse accompanied by excommunication

- From the Princeton Wordnet definition

a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed

- From the Blue Letter Bible definition

anything devoted to evil, an accursed thing

- From the Lidell-Scott Lexicon definition


Now if you insist on consigning your own soul to hell, that's your business. I'm not telling you where to go. The God I worship is merciful and longsuffering. But if you choose to condemn your own soul, that's your business.


By the way, it would be better if you actually pasted over the entire Canon, rather than your extract:

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.

That's a little bit different than the extract you posted:

CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified...let him be anathema."

There's a lot of info contained in that ellipse you used... In fact, you may wish to read all of the Canons and Decrees of the Sixth Session of Trent. You may actually be surprised with what it says if you read it, rather than propaganda about it.


As to what you'd like to be called, happy to oblige. As to what you'd like to call me, it doesn't really matter now, does it?

244 posted on 02/15/2006 1:05:48 PM PST by markomalley (Vivat Iesus!)
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To: AnalogReigns
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
250 posted on 02/15/2006 1:20:32 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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