[SoothingDave]

You thought I might have bought into your spin over the years....think again.

All that's asked for is to look at the arguments presented and respond to them in an intelligent fashion. Because we interpret things differently does not mean we are against the Scripture, which is how FC put it, and what you applauded her for.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Dave you're still trying to put people in a box that you have designed and expect them to operate from, IOW's circular reasoning.

It might work for the brain dead.....but it won't fly around here anymore.

BigMack

[Full Court]

Dave, there is no obvious reason in Scripture to disregard the clear meaning and try and make it obscure, that's my point.

The Bible says Mary and Joseph had sex.

The Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters.

The Bible says Jesus was the firstborn, meaning other came after.

THere is no reason at all to disregard the clear teaching to try and make the Bible mean something it does not say, unless you are trying to support a false doctrine.