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Jaded said "Since you posted your snippet to show how women are owned by men.... try the ENTIRE Pararaph

Cronos said: Exactly my point Jaded -- FC, like so many of those who are led astray away from The Church see only one line --

Let me get this straight for all of you one more time. I NEVER SAID THAT WOMEN ARE OWNED BY MEN.

That's a lie by Jaded.

I said "Women were created for men, not the other way around."

Further, a wife is to be submissive to her husband.
She is to be obedient to him that the Word of God be not blasphemed.

She is also to reverence her husband.

The husband is also the head of the wife.

None of that negates the husbands responsibilities to the wife, which are listed in Scripture.

So do me a favor. Don't claim I said something I didn't.

Thanks.

Oh please. This really is outside of too much. Acts does not prove Mary had sex. You seem to be more than willing to assign your own predjudices to others. Actually, you stand in judgement of all who don't subscribe to your Solo Scriptura.

Main Entry: for

Pronunciation: f&r, (')for, Southern also (')fär

Function: preposition

Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Latin per through, prae before, pro before, for, ahead, Greek pro, Old English faran to go -- more at FARE

1 a -- used as a function word to indicate purpose b -- used as a function word to indicate an intended goal c -- used as a function word to indicate the object or recipient of a perception, desire, or activity

2 a : as being or constituting b -- used as a function word to indicate an actual or implied enumeration or selection

3 : because of

4 -- used as a function word to indicate suitability or fitness

5 a : in place of b (1) : on behalf of : REPRESENTING (2) : in favor of

6 : in spite of -- usually used with all

7 : with respect to : CONCERNING

8 a -- used as a function word to indicate equivalence in exchange <$10 for a hat>, equality in number or quantity , or correspondence or correlation b -- used as a function word to indicate number of attempts <0 for 4>

9 -- used as a function word to indicate duration of time or extent of space

10 : in honor of : AFTER

Nope, all I said was that you seemingly treat the Bible as only a quote-book, not one to be understood and studied. The Bible and it's meanings need to be looked at, in the whole context of the meaning. you've erred innumerably in the course of this thread by looking at only one verse at a time or not seeking to know more about God. A quote-based solo scriptura belief system errs badly as we see here. You don't understand the concept that in the M-E brothers and sisters could mean close family upto second cousins (unlike in the Anglo-Saxon world where it narrowly means siblings) -- so you can't step out of the context of your own ephemeral time and culture. You also take St. Paul's ONE verse about "wives to submit to their husbands" and don't read the entire statement where St. Paul preaches equality. You have clearly illustrated the pitfalls of an induhvidual man based faith.

We catholics put GOD at the Centre, GOD in control and LEARN through the wisdom of the Holy Spirit through the ages, through millions of mortal men, instead of trying to force scripture to follow what we want.

At least you don't err as some who seek to deny that Paul's epistles are scripture.