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We do not believe the Church is "man made." Nor do we view it as a "corporation," at least not in the way you are using the word. It is a corpus, the Body of Christ on earth.

The Vatican is not a policital entity?

It does not have Diplomats (by whatever name) in any country in the world which will allow them into the country?

Diocese's (sp?) in trouble throughout the world don't claim the Vatican, not they, own their so-called property?

I could go on and on but I think I'll wait for you to claim that the RCC is nothing but a simple Church with no political or worldly ambitions.

The Vatican is not a policital entity?

It does not have Diplomats (by whatever name) in any country in the world which will allow them into the country? Diocese's (sp?) in trouble throughout the world don't claim the Vatican, not they, own their so-called property?

I could go on and on but I think I'll wait for you to claim that the RCC is nothing but a simple Church with no political or worldly ambitions.

The fact that there is organization (note that I omitted the word "an" in this statement) somehow negates that the Church is a body of believers?

There is nothing wrong with a Church being organized. It certianly makes more practical sense then having total anarchy. It also surely has spiritual benefits. A Church that is united visibly is able to do much more to have a rich spirituality that continually strengthens its adherents and the wider world.

The fact that the Catholic Church also is a legal and political entity is just a fact of living in the world. Someone has to own the property. Someone has to pay the rent. Someone has to represent the Church to the UN or the nations of the world.

We do not believe the Church is "man made." Nor do we view it as a "corporation," at least not in the way you are using the word. It is a corpus, the Body of Christ on earth.

The Vatican is not a policital entity?

It does not have Diplomats (by whatever name) in any country in the world which will allow them into the country?

Diocese's (sp?) in trouble throughout the world don't claim the Vatican, not they, own their so-called property?

I could go on and on but I think I'll wait for you to claim that the RCC is nothing but a simple Church with no political or worldly ambitions.

Again Apples and Oranges. The Vatican is both the place where the Bishop of Rome resides and a separate state (read up on the events of 1870). Furthermore, each Patriarch in the Catholic Church resides in a separate city -- like the Patriarch of the Maronite Catholic Church, the Patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic church etc.)

We do not believe the Church is "man made." Nor do we view it as a "corporation," at least not in the way you are using the word. It is a corpus, the Body of Christ on earth.

The Vatican City state is not the same thing as the Catholic Church. Do you not understand this? The Pope is leader of the government of the sovereign state of Vatican City. It is this state which conducts diplomatic affairs, just like any other state.

I know of no Catholics who consider their Church to be a small landlocked sovereign state contained within the state of Italy.

So why even mention it?

I could go on and on but I think I'll wait for you to claim that the RCC is nothing but a simple Church with no political or worldly ambitions.

Chuck lied and said Catholics view their own church as a man-made corporation.

We do neither. We believe the Church is of divine foundation and we do not think of it as a legal entity chartered to provide recognition under the laws of various states.

It may be organized in this legal fashion in order to efficiently operate in the various states in which it does, but this is a detail of the reality of operating a vast global enterprise in the 21st century.

The identity of what the church is in its professions and in the minds of its believers is no more that of a publicly identified non-profit corporation than the hordes of Steeler Nation consider the team to be a "corporation."