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To: wmfights
So in the RCC you could be saved today and if you don't do the right things tomorrow you could be lost.

No one is "saved" until they actually die and are admitted into Heaven. It is presumptuous to look at human history and all who have backslidden and just assume that you are not going to be one of them.

Walk on the path, you know where the path leads. Don't assume you have reached your destination. It's like not starting your TD dance until you are actually in the end zone.

Some people are in a state of grace today who may die out of grace.

Who determines for you what works are sufficient to maintain your state of grace?

Avoid sin. Do good things. Partake of the sacraments.

It's a poorly formed conscience that doesn't know if it is in a state of grace or not.

I understand the seductive allure of the idea that you are "saved" no matter what you do, but that is a beautiful lie.

If it makes you feel good and encourages you to do the good things necessary to stay in grace, it may lead you to salvation. But it's still a lie. Every one who goes off the path because they believed they were "assured" of salvation is a result of this lie.

SD

1,317 posted on 02/22/2006 8:25:53 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; wmfights
No one is "saved" until they actually die and are admitted into Heaven. It is presumptuous to look at human history and all who have backslidden and just assume that you are not going to be one of them.

Dave, how does God abort you from the new birth?

1,319 posted on 02/22/2006 8:30:15 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: SoothingDave; wmfights
No one is "saved" until they actually die and are admitted into Heaven. It is presumptuous to look at human history and all who have backslidden and just assume that you are not going to be one of them.

Dave, why did Jesus have to die if his death couldn't be enough to save you?

God says you can know you are saved, He can give you that peace.

1 John 5:13
 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20  
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Why would you willingly chose to disregard what God says, not believe Him and follow a man made path that leads to an eternity in Hell?

Matthew 16:26  For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world,
and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mark 8:36  For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Mark 8:37  Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

1,329 posted on 02/22/2006 8:59:01 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: SoothingDave

"Some people are in a state of grace today who may die out of grace."

How does your church determine this? Are there specific works that must be done on an ongoing basis to keep your grace? If you need to do certain things to keep your grace aren't you saying that the indwelling HOLY SPIRIT comes and goes based on what you do.

I know in your prior post you said,"avoid sin, do good things, partake of the sacraments." What I'm asking is what particular sacraments work to keep the HOLY SPIRIT in you and thus keep you in a state of grace?



1,344 posted on 02/22/2006 10:42:16 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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