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To: gscc

Uh...because it did?

Whether Noah and Moses took credit for what they did or not, they DID what they DID, no? Whether the Church takes self-conscious credit for what it did regarding the canon of Scripture, its actions in this matter are of historical record. We Catholics, when defending the Catholic nature of the canon of Scripture here on FR and elsewhere, have every right to point out verifiable facts concerning our Church's involvement. I do not think that the Church, per se, trumpets its canonization of Scripture every waking moment, as you imply. Rather, individual members of the Catholic Church on this forum are oftern obliged to bring the matter up when people palpably ignorant of easily attainable and verifiable history attempt to retroactively rewrite that history (or simply ignore it) to further a disingenuous agenda.


1,257 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:47 PM PST by magisterium
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To: magisterium
You obfuscate - there is no disagreement on the historical sequence of the canonization process. What is objectionable is the notion that God is not the author of Scripture and that those that did decide on the canon were anything other than tools in God's hand. The historical record of Moses and the exodus is unquestioned. The process of canonization (apart from arguments over the apocryphal or deutro-canonical books) is historical fact. The objection is the RC Church taking any credit for the final canon - the prerogative of God alone.
1,267 posted on 02/21/2006 8:22:05 PM PST by gscc
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To: magisterium
Rather, individual members of the Catholic Church on this forum are oftern obliged to bring the matter up when people palpably ignorant of easily attainable and verifiable history attempt to retroactively rewrite that history (or simply ignore it) to further a disingenuous agenda.

Correct -- especially those who seem to think that Christianity was started in the 16th century.....

1,268 posted on 02/21/2006 8:22:43 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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To: magisterium
Rather, individual members of the Catholic Church on this forum are oftern obliged to bring the matter up when people palpably ignorant of easily attainable and verifiable history attempt to retroactively rewrite that history (or simply ignore it) to further a disingenuous agenda.

This should be easily attainable concerning these 2 sets of 10 Commandments illustrated below. Could someone tell me first as to why we have these variations. Please also give me a name or names of the persons involved in making this alteration. Because it is an alteration and not simply a misinterpretation

Are there any verifiable canons concerning this change, if so, what is the canon's number? Is this action found in The Canons & Decrees of the Council of Trent?

I found only this one:

Canon 1188. "The practice of displaying sacred images in the churches for the veneration of the faithful is to remain in force..."

There must have been some opposition to prompt a statement like that... what happened here?

Thanks in advance

The Bible's 10 Commandments (Ex 20:1-17) Roman Catholic Bible's 10 Commandments (based on the Catechism)
1. I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me. 1. I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image. 2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. 3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
4. Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy. 4. Honor your father and your mother
5. Honor thy father and thy mother. 5. You shall not kill
6. Thy shall not kill. 6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shall not commit adultery. 7. You shall not steal.
8. Thou shall not steal. 8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. Thou shall not bear false witness. 9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shall not covet. 10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.

1,277 posted on 02/21/2006 9:26:49 PM PST by Clay+Iron_Times (The feet of the statue and the latter days of the church age)
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To: magisterium
The Church picked out which books were scriptural in the NT. (Cronos)

This is what I am talking about.

1,311 posted on 02/22/2006 7:26:43 AM PST by gscc
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To: magisterium; gscc
Whether the Church takes self-conscious credit for what it did regarding the canon of Scripture, its actions in this matter are of historical record.

Yep. Start with Foxxe's Book of Martyr's.

How many do you think Rome has slain for the Word of God or just having a Bible?

Revelation 6:9
 ¶And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:

10  And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

1,321 posted on 02/22/2006 8:34:53 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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