[Full Court]

First of all, I didn't join some group. I started reading the Bible.

Secondly, in able to converse with some knowledge on the subject, I have been studying Catholic teachings for at least 20 years now.


The Bible says that husband and wife do not keep themselves from each other, so therfore, Mary had sex with Joseph, since she was his wife.

The Bible also states that Jesus has brothers and sisters.

[Jaded]

If Jesus had given His mother to the care of someone who was not a brother or sister that would have been in violation of Jewish law.

[gscc]

The Bible clearly states that Joseph did have union with Mary. 

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"—which means, "God with us."

 24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

[Conservative til I die]

Secondly, in able to converse with some knowledge on the subject, I have been studying Catholic teachings for at least 20 years now.

Then why are you still so ignorant about us? take it from me, I've been a Catholic for 28 years and have actually seen how other Catholics have acted, and your descriptions do not seem to match my reality.

[Cronos]

I have been studying Catholic teachings for at least 20 years now.

Might I also ask which "Catholic teachings" you have read besides J Chick? have you read the Catechism of The Church?

The Bible also states that Jesus has brothers and sisters.

Ah, yes, another PERFECT example of ignorance of biblical culture and a reason why individual interpretation fails -- not due to lack of clariy in God's Word but in the shortcomings in all of us individual mortals.

you make the same error as tenns2005

In post # 741 you say "The fact of the matter is that the Bible is so straigntforward and understandable that to misunderstand it you must have the help of a Priest, Rabbi, or Preacher."

To which I said in post #769: "REally, then what was YOUR interpretation about Christ's "brothers and sisters"

Tenns #775: "Christ brothers and sisters were his half brothers and sisters. Is that hard for you to understand"

You never bothered to read my post number #603: "Exactly -- the problem with personal interpretation is that it is made without any background understanding -- so many readers of the Bible light on the verse "Jesus and His brothers and sisters" and say "AHA!! He HAD brothers and sisters -- perhaps they were born of Mary or just step-siblings" -- these people do not know that in the middle east and even in Greece it is common to call your cousins (first and second) your brothers and sisters"

This was in response to wmfights's #595 "This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are. Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE"

[Cronos]

The Bible says that husband and wife do not keep themselves from each other, so therfore, Mary had sex with Joseph, since she was his wife.

oh, now you make an inference? You're guessing aren't you?

The OT also said not to eat pork so I guess in 2000 years there was never any Jew who ate pork ? I know what you'll say next: "oh, those weren't true jews" -- so you make more statements to support your false assumption