Tenn2005: Do you mean to tell me that, as a Catholic you need me, a poor dumb and misinformed christian, to guide you to the source of the doctrine which you espouse? Surely you have concrete information to support your beliefs.
Really Tenn --> that's below you, first you make an accusation: the Catholic church began as a Christian heresey? then when asked to prove it you say something really with no proof: The historical writings of the Catholic Church. Then when asked to cite a source, you go on a tangent to cover your bluff. You made an accusation, the onus is on YOU to prove it
Then you say : "Do you deny the theachings of the Catholic church that I gave you as examples? Do hold them to be true? If that is the case then you need to be showing where in the Bible these teachings come from. I didn't make them up. Your church did. And you need to chill out and take a deep breath."
WHAT examples? You just made baseless accusations and hemmed and hawed when asked for proof. Chill out when someone makes a false accusation? Wouldn't you like us to forget that FALSE accusation, that LIE?
Then, you say: "I did not state that it was part of your church's teaching, I said that it was a fact" --> really? Then, why did you state that it was Church doctrine as above?
Then, you make a silly statement like "My, my, my. Are we a little upset when presented with the truch about our apostate church?" -- it's hilarious, you jumble yourself, make false accusations, lies and then resort to childish taunts when your errors are pointed out. Really silly.
Then, you make some more silly comments like "Only your "church fathers, not the trinity or divinity of Jesus" So I guess you consider the Church fathers who put together the canon and what you now read as Scripture as being false and wrong and you hence reject what they pieced together, so you reject scripture?
And another one "Your biggest problem is that you don't understand what the New Testament Church is. All you know is what your "Clergy" tell you." -- really? You then reject the scriptures as that is what the clergy told you? I guess you also, as you pointed out earlier, reject all preachers, teachers, pastors, rabbis and priests. You alone are the interpreter of the Scriptures, eh?
You rely too much on the "church fathers." By your own admission they are not infallable. That being the case, how do you know which of their "supposedly inspired" statements are correct and which are incorrect. I am definitely not inspired, so I look to the teachings of the Bible which "is proven to be inspired." You have impelled yourself on your own pickard.
Do you even READ the posts? I said that the Church as a whole is infallible, individuals Church Fathers have made errors. Similarly YOU as an individual when trying to interpret scripture are FALLIBLE. Btw -- the phrase is "hoisted on your own petard" :-P
You don't seem to understand that while my congregation has a preacher, he encourages us to go home and test anything he has said against the Bible. When he is in error, and admits that he sometimes probably is, we have the duty to test anything he says against the Bible. That is exactly what I do and what I tell my students to do when I am lecturing. It would be a good practice for you to adopt also.
What makes you think the Catholic Church doesn't encourage us to read and question? Some more false stories that you've been fed.
Then, in post # 1088 you resort to farce: I find myself forced to yeild to the divinely inspired wisdom of Pope Cronos I. Let all the earth keep silent before him.
But you retract in post #1094: That is true, but I know more about the Bible than your Pope does.
Really -- you know more about the Bible than the Popes and you know more about it than the Church Fathers and every other Christian in the past 2000 years. Strangely egotistical and definitely false -- as proved time and again in this thread
In post # 741 you say "The fact of the matter is that the Bible is so straigntforward and understandable that to misunderstand it you must have the help of a Priest, Rabbi, or Preacher."
To which I said in post #769: "REally, then what was YOUR interpretation about Christ's "brothers and sisters"
Tenns #775: "Christ brothers and sisters were his half brothers and sisters. Is that hard for you to understand"
You never bothered to read my post number #603: "Exactly -- the problem with personal interpretation is that it is made without any background understanding -- so many readers of the Bible light on the verse "Jesus and His brothers and sisters" and say "AHA!! He HAD brothers and sisters -- perhaps they were born of Mary or just step-siblings" -- these people do not know that in the middle east and even in Greece it is common to call your cousins (first and second) your brothers and sisters"
This was in response to wmfights's #595 "This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are. Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE"
And here's Tenn in #1096: Mo, you have been proven false along with your church and your Pope. You continue to try to defend the indefesable and deny the undenyable. Your Pope is an imposter, your church is apostate and your beliefs and teachings are in direct contradiction of the Bible. You faith, or lack thereof, will not save you, me, or anyone else who follows it.
Since you cannot prove anything you resort to a screech which is laughable -- no proof, no nothing.
just curious. do you have a job?