Posted on 02/15/2006 6:22:47 AM PST by NYer
Where do you get any of that from what I said?
Where did I say anything ends sin or destroys Satan? All I was doing was pointing out that few people think about what eternity really means.
SD
What about him? Did you hit the post buttone too soon?
SD
If you believe that you die and go straight to heaven for eternity, then you must also believe that sin is ended and the we don't have 1 Judgement day, but rather every day is Judgement day for millions who die each day, thus making the entire NT moot and irrelevant.
I thought it was the sacraments?
I don't even understand 95% of what is being posted here. My only input is my first reaction when looking at the title of this thread. And that is, there should be a song parody based on the tune "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?" called "Where Have All The Protestants Gone?"
You are making tremendous leaps in logic from things I did not say.
I never said heaven was automatic for everyone or anyone and I never said that sin was ended.
Every day is judgment day for those who died. Scripture says we are to die once, and then the judgment. What do you think is going to happen? You will die and your soul will just hang around, maybe haunting an old hotel or seomthing until the end of time?
We die and are judged. It's that simple. At the end of time, all will be judged and all will be revealed for all to see the wicked get punished and the virtuous get rewarded. It is unclear why you think time must elapse for our disembodied souls before this happens.
Perhaps I was unclear. I was not saying that all automatically go to heaven or that Christ was not needed or anything like that. My comments on entering heaven "today" or "a thousand years from now" were predicated on the idea that only those who trust in Christ enter Heaven. I would hope that would be understood.
SD
I thought it was the sacraments?
What do you think we think sacraments are?
(Hint: Baltimore Catechism)
SD
Probably because Jesus blodd clesnses us from ALL sin, so "sacraments" are not needful. They are just works of flesh and will burn.
It's stunning that people don't trust Christ.
Uhh, no. Bethelgrad is correct. It is not a matter of understanding. It is a matter of informed, intelligent, Biblically based, disagreement. Only members of the Roman church believe that the Roman church is the Catholic church, and that the doctrins of Rome are correct.
Until that realization happens, Roman church members will continue their condescending "they just don't understand" attitude.
I'm a Bible Believer.
Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed;
also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
You really ought to read the Book of Revelation. Chapter 20 especially. Scripture says that there are two deaths. Two, not 1.
because you baptize unbelievers against the clear command of Scripture.
Just as the flowers have withered so has the Protestants. There's nothing left to Protest. We are all one big Ecumenical family. So Protestants are distinguished now as "Evangelicals" or "Separated Brethren"
Revelation coming to pass?
The final weeks of Daniel's 70 weeks?
What do you think sacraments are? Since you reject the idea, you must be able to articulate what it is you oppose, yes? You wouldn't simply reject something without understanding it.
SD
Either you fail to see my point, or you simply ignore the prima facie evidence, derived from the multiplicity of interpretations among believers of nearly any given passage of Scripture, that your interpretation of how the Holy Spirit works in this regard is just plain wrong. I'm moving on with this part of the thread.
Yeah, no kidding. Physical death of the body and spiritual death of damnation.
SD
You provide ample witness, with your take on something as basic as the existence of Hell or lack thereof, that Scripture is not nearly as "perspicuous" as Protestantism would have us believe. You baldly assert Hell's lack of existence, in the face of rather plain Scripture. You empty Heaven of every being except God, some angels and three humans (!) in direct contradiction to equally clear passages of Scripture. You claim your right to do this because you are led by the Spirit to interpret Scripture.
You are Exhibit A for the need for a Magisterium precisely along the lines of what the Catholic Church has proclaimed it has received from Christ Himself. If something as basic as just these two examples can be so badly mangled, there is no doubt that the doctrine of private interpretation leads to utter chaos elsewhere within all Protestantism!
Scripture, please? I have posted the scriptures the disprove this fable over and over. If I'm wrong and you show me, I will change my tagline to "soothingdave is the man and he proved me wrong. Thank God he saved me from my error".
Why does the Apostle's Creed end with a prayer for the resurrection of the dead if the dead are already in heaven or hel? I do not claim personal revelation nor do I claim to know whether I am being guided by the Holy Spirit. I pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. I only know what I read in the Bible.
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