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Where Have All the Protestants Gone?
NOR ^ | January 2006 | Thomas Storck

Posted on 02/15/2006 6:22:47 AM PST by NYer

Has anyone noticed the almost complete disappearance of Protestants from our nation? "What!" I can hear my readers exclaim, "Storck has really gone off his rocker this time. Why, just down the street there's an Assembly of God church and two or three Baptist churches and the Methodists and so on. My cousin just left the Catholic Church to become a Protestant and my niece just married one. Moreover, evangelical Protestants have many media outlets of their own and they have great influence in the Bush Administration. They're everywhere." All this, of course, is true. Except that for some time, they no longer call themselves Protestants, but simply Christians, and increasingly they've gotten Catholics to go along with their terminology.

I recall over 10 years ago when I was a lector at Mass, for the prayer of the faithful I was supposed to read a petition that began, "That Catholics and Christians…." Of course, I inserted the word "other" before "Christians," but I doubt very many in the congregation would even have noticed had I not done so. Just the other day I saw on a Catholic website an article about a Protestant adoption agency that refused to place children with Catholic parents. The headline referred not to a Protestant adoption agency but to a Christian one. And how often do we hear of Christian bookstores or Christian radio stations or Christian schools, when everyone should know they are Protestant ones?

Now, what is wrong with this? Well, it should be obvious to any Catholic -- but probably isn't. Are only Protestants Christians? Are we Catholics not Christians, indeed the true Christians? About 30 years ago, Protestants, especially evangelicals, began to drop the term Protestant and call themselves simply Christians as a not too subtle means of suggesting that they are the true and real Christians, rather than simply the children of the breakaway Protestant revolt of the 16th century. This shift in Protestant self-identification has taken on increasingly dramatic proportions. A recent Newsweek survey (Aug. 29-Sept. 5, 2005) found that, between 1990 and 2001, the number of Americans who consider themselves "Christian" (no denomination) increased by 1,120 percent, while the number of those who self-identify as "Protestant" decreased by 270 percent.

But perhaps I am getting too worked up over a small matter. After all, are not Protestants also Christians? Yes, I do not deny that. But usually we call something by its most specific name.

Protestants are theists too, but it would surely sound odd if we were to refer to their radio stations and bookstores as theistic radio stations and theistic bookstores. Language, in order to be useful, must convey human thought and concepts in as exact a way as it can. And, in turn, our thoughts and concepts should reflect reality. As Josef Pieper noted, "if the word becomes corrupted, human existence will not remain unaffected and untainted."

Moreover, words often convey more than simple concepts. A certain word may seem only to portray reality, but in fact it does more. It adds a certain overtone and connotation. Thus, it is not a small matter whether we speak of "gays" or of homosexuals. The former term was chosen specifically to inculcate acceptance of an unnatural and immoral way of life. When I was an Episcopalian, I was careful never to speak of the Catholic Church, but of the Roman Catholic Church, as a means of limiting the universality of her claims. I always called Episcopal ministers priests, again as a means of affirming that such men really were priests, in opposition to Leo XIII's definitive judgment that Anglican orders are invalid and thus that they are in no sense priests. Perhaps because of these early experiences, I am very aware of the uses of language to prejudge and control arguments, and I am equally careful now never to call Episcopal ministers priests or refer to one as Father So-and-So. And I think we should likewise not go along with the evangelical Protestant attempt to usurp the name Christian for themselves. They are Protestants, and public discourse should not be allowed to obscure that fact.

Apparently, though, it is the case that some Protestants call themselves Christians, not out of a desire to usurp the term, but out of an immense ignorance of history. That is, they ignore history to such an extent that they really don't understand that they are Protestants. Knowing or caring little about what came before them, they act as if their nicely bound Bibles had fallen directly from Heaven and anyone could simply become a Christian with no reference to past history, ecclesiology, or theology. The period of time between the conclusion of the New Testament book of Acts and the moment that they themselves "accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior" means nothing. Even Luther or Calvin or John Wesley mean little to them, since they can pick up their Bibles and start Christianity over again any time they want. These souls may call themselves simply Christians in good faith, but they are largely ignorant of everything about Church history. They do not understand that Jesus Christ founded a Church, and that He wishes His followers to join themselves to that Church at the same time as they join themselves to Him. In fact, one implies and involves the other, since in Baptism we are incorporated in Christ and made members of His Church at the same time.

So let us not go along with the widespread practice of calling our separated brethren simply Christians. They are Protestants. Let us begin again to use that term. It is precise. It implies Catholic doctrine in the sense that it suggests that such people are in protest against the Church. Moreover, it forces them to define themselves in terms of, rather than independently of, the One True Church. And if we do resume referring to our separated brethren as Protestants, perhaps a few of them might even be surprised enough to ask us why -- and then, behold, a teachable moment!


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
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To: Quester
I don't think that Jesus' brethren were actually about sending Him to His death, ... but, rather, that they showed the attitude of the other citizens of Jesus' old stomping grounds (i.e. that he was making more of Himself than He ought).

I agree. I was kind of exaggerating, but someone upthread did put forth seriously that His brothers were trying to get him killed.

They, obviously, didn't get the enormity of Who Jesus really was ... and, as such, I would tend to believe that they underestimated the danger to Him in attending the festival.

Sorry, pedantic point. "Enormity" is something monstrously evil. "Enormousness" or "immensity" is something really big. Pet peeve.

My point only concerned the likelihood that James, the brother of Jesus ... was or was not ... one of the original twelve Apostles.

I think you make a good argument for your case.

I believe that it is possible that Christians, in good conscience, ... can disagree with one another as to whether Mary had other children or not.

So do I.

SD

2,341 posted on 03/02/2006 9:47:33 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
Smart alec!

They're always saying I'm full of wit. ;-)

SD

2,342 posted on 03/02/2006 9:48:19 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
They're always saying I'm full of wit. ;-)

Humor is a shift of wit.

Odor is a whiff of ----.
2,343 posted on 03/02/2006 10:38:36 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: SoothingDave
Sorry, pedantic point. "Enormity" is something monstrously evil. "Enormousness" or "immensity" is something really big. Pet peeve.

For all of our edification. :^)
Main Entry: enor·mi·ty
Pronunciation: i-'nor-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Date: 15th century

1 : an outrageous, improper, vicious, or immoral act

2 : the quality or state of being immoderate, monstrous, or outrageous; especially : great wickedness

3 : the quality or state of being huge : IMMENSITY

4 : a quality of momentous importance usage

Enormity, some people insist, is improperly used to denote large size. They insist on enormousness for this meaning, and would limit enormity to the meaning "great wickedness." Those who urge such a limitation may not recognize the subtlety with which enormity is actually used. It regularly denotes a considerable departure from the expected or normal

- they awakened; they sat up; and then the enormity of their situation burst upon them. "How did the fire start?" -- John Steinbeck.

When used to denote large size, either literal or figurative, it usually suggests something so large as to seem overwhelming ...

- Either the enormity of the desert or the sight of a tiny flower -- Paul Theroux

- the enormity of the task of teachers in slum schools -- J. B. Conant


... and may even be used to suggest both great size and deviation from morality

- the enormity of existing stockpiles of atomic weapons -- New Republic.

It can also emphasize the momentousness of what has happened ...

- the sombre enormity of the Russian Revolution -- George Steiner

... or of its consequences

- perceived as no one in the family could the enormity of the misfortune -- E. L. Doctorow.

2,344 posted on 03/02/2006 1:31:28 PM PST by Quester
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To: Quester
Dictionary.com quotes the American Heritage dictionary:

Usage Note: Enormity is frequently used to refer simply to the property of being great in size or extent, but many would prefer that enormousness (or a synonym such as immensity) be used for this general sense and that enormity be limited to situations that demand a negative moral judgment, as in Not until the war ended and journalists were able to enter Cambodia did the world really become aware of the enormity of Pol Pot's oppression. Fifty-nine percent of the Usage Panel rejects the use of enormity as a synonym for immensity in the sentence At that point the engineers sat down to design an entirely new viaduct, apparently undaunted by the enormity of their task. This distinction between enormity and enormousness has not always existed historically, but nowadays many observe it. Writers who ignore the distinction, as in the enormity of the President's election victory or the enormity of her inheritance, may find that their words have cast unintended aspersions or evoked unexpected laughter.

2,345 posted on 03/02/2006 1:46:07 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Huh ... I obviously didn't even know of this great controversy. :^)

2,346 posted on 03/02/2006 2:06:17 PM PST by Quester
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To: Quester
Oh, to have a vote on the Usage Panel. :-)

SD

2,347 posted on 03/02/2006 2:12:16 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; gscc
Yep. And it also calls nephews "brothers" and half-brothers "brothers" and cousins "sisters." There is no consistency cause there were different human authors. God did not dictate Scripture.

No matter how much you belabor the point, it doesn't seem to get through, does it?
2,348 posted on 09/03/2006 6:23:04 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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