Posted on 02/15/2006 6:22:47 AM PST by NYer
Cronos said: Exactly my point Jaded -- FC, like so many of those who are led astray away from The Church see only one line --
Let me get this straight for all of you one more time. I NEVER SAID THAT WOMEN ARE OWNED BY MEN.
That's a lie by Jaded.
I said "Women were created for men, not the other way around."
Further, a wife is to be submissive to her husband.
She is to be obedient to him that the Word of God be not blasphemed.
She is also to reverence her husband.
The husband is also the head of the wife.
None of that negates the husbands responsibilities to the wife, which are listed in Scripture.
So do me a favor. Don't claim I said something I didn't.
Thanks.
If that were true, those children would of been with them on the trip to Bethlhem and they were not.
So there were no children from some fictional first wife.
When the RCC was burning people at the stake for professing faith in Christ and for having a Bible, who was in charge then?
That right there precludes the Roman Church from being a true church because it was an enemy of Christ and his Word.
Revelation 6:9 ¶And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
We are reminded that they do not look at the entire Bible either, thus large swaths of Christian theology, such as Communion of Saints and treasure of merits remain off limits.
It is actually worse that merely separating a part of the tradition, -- written canonical Word that is -- and ignoring the rest. Ignorance of Tradition is ignorance of the Scripture. On this thread, for example, we see an utter unability to profitably read a plain canonical text because of the perverse urge to reject the traditional understanding.
Why do you look for reasons to reject the clear words of God?
That is sadly funny.
You have the Christians on here urging you all to believe the Bible and trust that what Christ said is true, and you have the catholic on this thread making major contortions to try and prove why the Bible isn't accurate or tue or doesn't mean what it says.
The ignorance my friend, does not lie with us.
It doesn't make the Bible untrue. What you are afraid of is that is makes your solo scriptura interpretation of scripture untrue. That you are afraid to discuss it is all we need to know.
The Bible is true, whether you believe it or not.
Yes, the Bible is true. It is your solo scriptura interpretation of it that isn't, which is what we don't believe.
Every time the phrase "knew her" is used it is talking about sexual relations.
Yes, it does; nobody has ever disagreed with this. It's the word till that was under discussion. You've gone this long and didn't know that? You could have at least looked at post 1633 to know that. Maybe if you actually read what's posted to you, a lot of misunderstanding could be avoided.
There's not much else to say to you, pope Full Court, since you are stuck on solo scriptura and refuse to discuss.
NYer - I hope you don't mind but your phrase is a jewel and I'd like to borrow it for a while to use as my new tag line.
Do you understand what you quote (cf Acts 8:30)?
Please see the meaning of "sisters", "brothers", "brethren" in the post 1600, to which you pretend to respond.
Plenty where? You have not shown us any scripture to that effect.
Just because you make the claim that the Bible is not true and does not mean that Jesus had brothers or sisters when he clearly did means nothing.
You are just someone who doesn't believe Scripture claiming it isn't true.
No it is not. For explanation of Matthew 1:25 see my 1633.
Why do you refuse to understand the Word of God?
The Bible is accurate and true, but your refuse to understand it, and show no curiosity to even try.
I don't claim, I prove. See 1633. You claim.
Referring to 1 Corinthians 15:6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, some posters on this thread must believe the Virgin Mary was very busy after the birth of Jesus.
Matthew 1:25 And knew [ginosko {ghin-oce'-ko} Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman]
her not till [heos {heh'-oce}; Until]
she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
UNTIL', prep. [un and till. See Till.]
1. To; used of time.
He and his sons were priests of the tribe of Dan, until the day of the captivity. Judges 18.
2. To; used of objects. Obs.
3. Preceding a sentence or clause, to; that is, to the event mentioned, or the time of it; as, until this hour; until this year.
The scepter shall not depart from Judah - until Shiloh come. Gen. 49.
4. To the point or place of.
In open prospect nothing bounds our eye,
Until the earth seems join'd unto the sky.
5. To the degree that.
Thou shalt push Syria, until they be consumed. 2Chron. 18.
[Note. Until is always the same part of speech in fact, and has the same signification. The only difference is, that it is followed sometimes by a single word denoting time, and in other cases by a verb denoting an event, or a word denoting place or degree. The sense is in all cases to; and till may be used as its substitute, and in modern usage it is most common.]
Take it! Makes a great tag line :-)
Main Entry: for
Pronunciation: f&r, (')for, Southern also (')fär
Function: preposition
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Latin per through, prae before, pro before, for, ahead, Greek pro, Old English faran to go -- more at FARE
1 a -- used as a function word to indicate purpose b -- used as a function word to indicate an intended goal c -- used as a function word to indicate the object or recipient of a perception, desire, or activity
2 a : as being or constituting b -- used as a function word to indicate an actual or implied enumeration or selection
3 : because of
4 -- used as a function word to indicate suitability or fitness
5 a : in place of b (1) : on behalf of : REPRESENTING (2) : in favor of
6 : in spite of -- usually used with all
7 : with respect to : CONCERNING
8 a -- used as a function word to indicate equivalence in exchange <$10 for a hat>, equality in number or quantity , or correspondence or correlation b -- used as a function word to indicate number of attempts <0 for 4>
9 -- used as a function word to indicate duration of time or extent of space
10 : in honor of : AFTER
I will not discuss this any more, since we have come to different conclusions, even though we both understand each other's POV. Since you are choosing not to let the subject drop, please take me off the group ping. Arguing fruitlessly is something our Lord asked us not to do, so I would prefer not to. Thank you and God bless.
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