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2 posted on 02/09/2006 11:25:43 AM PST by Gamecock (..ours is a trivial age, and the church has been deeply affected by this pervasive triviality. JMB)
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To: Gamecock
Good article, GC. Since most Calvinists were Arminian at one time and believed things like "prevenient grace," maybe it's easier for the Calvinist to recognize the error of it.

While Arminians may say they understand the totality of man's fallen state, they actually think man can do something to effectuate his own salvation by a "right decision" to believe, with the aid of "prevenient" grace.

But that clearly makes man the final arbiter of his own salvation, and puts God's election on a par with a mutual friendship. God as Good Buddy.

A definite toll road on the way back to Rome.

"Prevenient grace is attractive because it solves so many problems, but it should be rejected because it cannot be exegetically vindicated. But if prevenient grace is rejected, then all people are in bondage to sin. They will never turn to God because they are so enslaved by sin that they will never desire to turn to him. How then can any be saved? The Scriptures teach that the effectual calling of God is what persuades those who are chosen to turn to him. God's grace effectively works in the heart of the elect so that they see the beauty and glory of Christ and put their faith in him (2 Cor. 4:6). Because God's choice lies behind our salvation, we cannot boast before him that we were noble or wise enough to choose him. We can only boast in the Lord who chose us to be his own (1 Cor. 1:29, 31)."

Amen.

3 posted on 02/09/2006 3:26:15 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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