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To: magisterium
"The "perspicuousness" of Scripture was the founding myth of Protestantism and its most obvious error."
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It is only when discussing the SCRIPTURES with RC's that the ease of understanding meaning comes into dispute. You lay claim to the idea that you are meant to "control" SCRIPTURE because a council of men recognized the inspired WORD OF GOD. This is hubris in that these writings would still have been the inspired WORD OF GOD whether you recognized them or not. Your council's recognition of GOD's WORD did not make it GOD's WORD.

If you choose to let other men, weak and fallible, think for you and stand between you and our LORD it is your loss not mine. I refuse to let an institution of man separate me from my SAVIOR.

Romans 8:38 "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither Angels nor Demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of GOD that is in CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD."
It seems pretty straight forward to me.

John 6:37 "All that the FATHER gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."
It seems pretty clear to me.
101 posted on 02/10/2006 8:00:45 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: wmfights

Your position is precarious regarding the canon. SOMEONE had to determine the canon of Scripture. It did NOT fall out of the sky ready-made, with a handy index of the books near the front. If there were no councils to determine the canon, there would NOT be a canon at all, unless God Himself DIRECTLY intervened and told the whole world what that canon should be. He normally doesn't work that way, as there would be no need for faith in Him were such demonstrations of His existence and power were common in every contingency.

You're right when you say that "council's recognition of GOD's WORD did not make it GOD's WORD." The words were already God's words. The councils merely pointed to them, among other works which were of dubious inspiration, and said "THESE books, and no others among the collected candidates, are the inspired Word of God." That was the function of these councils and the papal ratifications of them. Get it right here. They did NOT "make" the NT books God's Word. They merely declared that those books ARE God's Word. Huge difference!

However, this all serves to underscore my point. Your system has no sensible way to point to the rationale for the canon without acknowledging the early Church Fathers. None. That you cannot even bring yourself to recognize their authority in at least this instance is most instructive to all of us. The Catholic Church, as I've said numerous times here, collected, vetted and canonized the Scriptures, the New Testament of which was written by eight of its members under the inspiration of Almighty God. It alone is the proper custodian and interpreter of the collection we call the Bible, and this office will properly remain with the Church till the end of time.


102 posted on 02/10/2006 8:59:14 AM PST by magisterium
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