He doesn't always wear a cake:
Um, no.
Aw, shucks... it's right there in God's Word, the Holy Bible.
The notion that "Sola scriptura is an extrabiblical protestant tradition" is... um... Well, just another Papist-Roman Extrabiblical Tradition of Men.
But y'all just go on worshipping the Honkin' Great Big Three-Tiered Hat. Ain't no skin off my back, if y'all wanna worship a guy wearing a multi-leveled Confectionary Cake on his head.
Cordially, OP
:-)
Introducing your own error by misinterpretation is precisely the problem. But you are entitled to your own personal interpretation.
Which establishes that Scripture is necessary for the man of God to be "perfect" and "thoroughly furnished unto all good works".
It does not say that it is sufficient, however.
And how you get from what the "man of God" needs to the governance of the Church is a completely different question.
In context, it refers to the scripture Timothy had known "since infancy," which cannot possibly be the New Testament. "Old Testament Only"?
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be *perfect*, *thoroughly* furnished unto *all* good works. (II Timothy 3:16-17)
Absolutely agree. But that doesn't say that scripture ALONE is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, etc.
BTW, that's just childish, and detracts from both your Christian witness and your argument. Keep it on the playground where it belongs.
Yes ... it does state that after Paul appeals to apostolic tradition in the previous verse.
But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it, (II Timothy 3:14-15).
II Timothy 3:16-17 means necessary; but it does not mean sufficient. In other words, you have the scriptura, but not the sola.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be *perfect*, *thoroughly* furnished unto *all* good works. (II Timothy 3:16-17)
Amen! But being profitable is not the same as being all-sufficient. Observe: "All bats can fly, as it is profitable for them to extract nourishment from insects in the air or to fly to a source of fruit, that all bats may be perfect in the niche created for them by God." This is true, but, if the question is about what animals can fly, is it sufficient? No. Most birds can fly, and so do many insects. Citing bats as the sole examples of the benefits of animal flight will be not only insufficient but actually false, as they are not the "sole" fliers.
It's the same type of situation here. Scripture IS profitable as noted by St. Paul, but so is the oral teaching he himself (as well as the other Apostles) presented, as noted in 2Thessalonians 2:15. So is the Church corporately such a profitable source, as it alone is described as the "pillar and bulwark of the Truth." (1Timothy 3:15). All of this specifically points to sources of authority that, along with the Bible per se, constitute the fulness of revelation.
How else could it be? The hearers of St. Paul's second Letter to Timothy did NOT have the entire New Testament at hand. Not only was it not completed at the time, but it would be many decades before all of the scattered Christian communities had all 27 books of the NT before them, and several cneturies beyond that before ALL of the non-Scriptural writings were definitively culled from the collection. Further, many, if not most, of the early Christians, and Christians right up to at least the 18th Century, could not read and/or did not have a personal copy of the Scriptures available to them. What of them? Was the Teaching Church not there precisely to bolster them in the Word and the Sacraments?
Your ecclesial pedigree has lost the notion of how the canon of Scripture came to be, and simple observation proves that its assertions about the Holy Spirit guiding each individual to a "right understanding" of the meaning of Scripture are demonstrably false and utter nonsense. There is not one single chapter of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, that can be parsed out by two Protestants without at least one disagreement about its contents. And no wonder. You have jettisoned the Church, which is the compiler, vetter and interpreter of Scripture, the New Testament of which was secondarly authored (along with God, the primary Author) by eight of its early members.
I'll ignore as simple ignorance your statements about alleged papal worship, delivered in such a thoughtful and elegant tone. If you have been on FR for even a month, Catholic responses to such juvenile rantings should have set you straight on the sheer silliness of such a charge by now.
Pax Domini.
He doesn't always wear a cake:
Aw, shucks, where again does it say "sola"? I don't see anything about the scriptures being ALONE necessary for anything. Actually, the Bible tells us ANOTHER means of perfecting the Christian!
And He {God} Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ (Eph 4:11-13)
The Scripture ITSELF tells us of another means of "perfecting" man! I guess the Bible ALONE is not how man is perfected, or come to the knowledge of the Son of God. Isn't that something how the Bible tells us that the teachings of God that come through men perfect us???
Forget about Sola Scriptura. It is philosophically a dead-end.
Regards
Yours (at#20&30):
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be *perfect*, *thoroughly* furnished unto *all* good works. (II Timothy 3:16-17)
Douay/Rheims-Challoner:
All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work. (II Timothy 3:16-17)