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How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/06/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by NYer

It's still a jolt for some people to realize this, but the Bible did not fall down out of the sky, leather-bound and gold-monogrammed with the words of Christ in red, in 95 AD.  Rather the canon of Christian Scripture slowly developed over a period of about 1500 years.  That does not mean, of course, that Scripture was being written for 1500 years after the life of Christ.  Rather, it means that it took the Church some fifteen centuries to formally and definitively state which books out of the great mass of early Christian and pseudo-Christian books constituted the Bible.

The process of defining the canon of Scripture is an example of what the Church calls "development of doctrine".  This is a different thing than "innovation of doctrine".  Doctrine develops as a baby develops into a man, not as a baby grows extra noses, eyes, and hands.  An innovation of doctrine would be if the Church declared something flatly contrary to all previous teaching ("Pope John Paul Ringo I Declares the Doctrine of the Trinity to No Longer Be the Teaching of the Church:  Bishop Celebrate by Playing Tiddly Winks with So-Called 'Blessed Sacrament'").  It is against such flat reversals of Christian teaching that the promise of the Spirit to guard the apostolic Tradition stands.  And, in fact, there has never ever been a time when the Church has reversed its dogmatic teaching.  (Prudential and disciplinary changes are another matter.  The Church is not eternally wedded to, for instance, unmarried priests, as the wife of St. Peter can tell you.)

But though innovations in doctrine are not possible, developments of doctrine occur all the time and these tend to apply old teaching to new situations or to more completely articulate ancient teaching that has not been fully fleshed out.  So, for example, in our own day the Church teaches against the evils of embryonic stem cell research even though the New Testament has nothing to say on the matter.  Yet nobody in his five wits claims that the present Church "invented" opposition to embryonic stem cell research from thin air.  We all understand that the Church, by the very nature of its Tradition, has said "You shall not kill" for 2,000 years.  It merely took the folly of modern embryonic stem cell research to cause the Church to apply its Tradition to this concrete situation and declare what it has always believed.

Very well then, as with attacks on sacred human life in the 21st century, so with attacks on Sacred Tradition in the previous twenty.  Jesus establishes the Tradition that he has not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them (Mt 5:17).   But when Tradition bumps into the theories of early Jewish Christians that all Gentiles must be circumcised in order to become Christians, the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) is still necessary to authoritatively flesh that Tradition out.  Moreover, the Council settles the question by calling the Bible, not to the judge's bench, but to the witness stand.  Scripture bears witness to the call of the Gentiles, but the final judgment depends on the authority of Christ speaking through his apostles and elders whose inspired declaration is not "The Bible says..." but "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us..." (Acts 15:28).

In all this, the Church, as ever, inseparably unites Scripture as the light and Sacred Tradition as the lens through which it is focused.  In this way the mustard seed of the Kingdom continues to grow in that light, getting more mustardy, not less.

How then did Tradition develop with respect to the canon of Scripture?

In some cases, the Church in both east and west has a clear memory of just who wrote a given book and could remind the faithful of this.  So, for instance, when a second century heretic named Marcion proposed to delete the Old Testament as the product of an evil god and canonize the letters of Paul (but with all those nasty Old Testament quotes snipped out), and a similarly edited gospel of Luke (sanitized of contact with Judaism for your protection), the Church responded with local bishops (in areas affected by Marcion's heresy) proposing the first canons of Scripture. 

Note that the Church seldom defines its teaching (and is in fact disinclined to define it) till some challenge to the Faith (in this case, Marcion) forces it to do so.  When Marcion tries to take away from the Tradition of Scripture by deleting Matthew, Mark and John and other undesirable books, the Church applies the basic measuring rod of Tradition and says, "This does not agree with the Tradition that was handed down to us, which remembers that Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark and John wrote John.

Matthew also issued among the Hebrews a written Gospel in their own language, while Peter and Paul were evangelizing in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church.  After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, also handed down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.  Luke also, the companion of Paul, set down in a book the Gospel preached by him.  Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord who reclined at his bosom also published a Gospel, while he was residing at Ephesus in Asia. (Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses, 3, 1, 1)

In other words, there is, we might say, a Standard of Roots (based on Sacred Tradition) by which the Church weighs her canon.  So when various other heretics, instead of trying to subtract from the generally received collection of holy books, instead try to add the Gospel of Thomas or any one of a zillion other ersatz works to the Church's written Tradition, the Church can point to the fact that, whatever the name on the label says, the contents do not square with the Tradition of the Church, so it must be a fake.  In other words, there is also a Standard of Fruits.  It is this dual standard of Roots and Fruits by which the Church discerns the canon -- a dual standard which is wholly based on Sacred Tradition.  The Church said, in essence, "Does the book have a widespread and ancient tradition concerning its apostolic origin and/or approval?  Check.  Does the book square with the Tradition we all learned from the apostles and the bishops they gave us?  Check.  Then it is to be used in public worship and is to be regarded as the word of God."

It was on this basis the early Church also vetoed some books and accepted others -- including the still-contested-by-some-Protestants deuterocanonical books of Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach and Baruch as well as some pieces of Daniel and Esther.  For the churches founded by the apostles could trace the use of the Septuagint version of the Old Testament in public worship (a Greek translation of the Old Testament which includes all these books) back to the apostles. In fact, many of the citations of Old Testament Scripture by the New Testament writers are, in fact, citations of the Septuagint (see, for example, Mark 7:6-7, Hebrews 10:5-7).  Therefore, the Body of Christ living after the apostles simply retained the apostles' practice of using the Septuagint on the thoroughly traditional grounds, "If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us."  In contrast, the churches had no apostolic tradition handed down concerning the use of, say, the works of the Cretan poet Epimenides (whom Paul quotes in Acts 17), therefore they did not regard his works as Scripture, even though Paul quotes him.  It was by their roots and fruits that the Church's books were judged, and it was by the standard of Sacred Tradition that these roots and fruits were known.

These Root and Fruit standards are even more clearly at work in the canonization of the New Testament, especially in the case of Hebrews. There was, in fact, a certain amount of controversy in the early Church over the canonicity of this book (as well as of books like 2 Peter, Jude, and Revelation).  Some Fathers, especially in the west, rejected Hebrews (in no small part because of its lack of a signature).  Yet the Church eventually accepted it.  How?  It was judged apostolic because, in the end, the Church discerned that it met the Roots and Fruits measure when stacked up against Sacred Tradition.

The Body of Christ had long believed that Hebrews said the same thing as the Church's Sacred Tradition handed down by the bishops.  Thus, even Fathers (like Irenaeus) who rejected it from their canon of inspired Scripture still regarded it as a good book.  That is, it had always met the Fruits standard.  How then did it meet the Roots standard?  In a nutshell, despite the lack of attestation in the text of Hebrews itself, there was an ancient tradition in the Church (beginning in the East, where the book was apparently first sent) that the book originated from the pen of St. Paul. That tradition, which was at first better attested in the east than in the west (instantaneous mass communication being still some years in the future) accounts for the slowness of western Fathers (such as Irenaeus) to accept the book.  But the deep-rootedness of the tradition of Pauline authorship in the East eventually persuaded the whole Church.  In short, as with the question of circumcision in the book of Acts, the status of Hebrews was not immediately clear even to the honest and faithful (such as Irenaeus).  However, the Church in council, trusting in the guidance of Holy Spirit, eventually came to consensus and canonized the book on exactly the same basis that the Council of Jerusalem promulgated its authoritative decree:  "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us..."

Conversely, those books which the Church did not canonize as part of the New Testament were rejected because, in the end, they did not meet both the Root and Fruit standards of the Church's Sacred Tradition.  Books like the Didache or the Shepherd of Hermas, while meeting the Fruit standard, were not judged to meet the Root standard since their authors were not held to be close enough to the apostolic circle -- a circle which was, in the end, drawn very narrowly by the Spirit-led Church and which therefore excluded even Clement since he, being "in the third place from the Apostles" was not as close to the apostles as Mark and Luke (who were regarded as recording the gospels of Peter and Paul, respectively). The Church, arch-conservative as ever, relied on Sacred Tradition, not to keep adding to the New Testament revelation but to keep it as lean and close to the apostles as possible.  This, of course, is why books which met neither the Root nor Fruit standards of Sacred Tradition, such as the Gospel of Thomas, were rejected by the Church without hesitation as completely spurious.

Not that this took place overnight.  The canon of Scripture did not assume its present shape till the end of the fourth century.  It was defined at the regional Councils of Carthage and Hippo and also by Pope Damasus and included the deuterocanonical books.  It is worth noting, however, that, because these decisions were regional, none of them were dogmatically binding on the whole Church, though they clearly reflected the Sacred Tradition of the Church (which is why the Vulgate or Latin Bible--which was The Bible for the Catholic Church in the West for the next 1200 years looks the same as the Catholic Bible today).  Once again, we are looking at Sacred Tradition which is not fully developed until a) the Reformation tries to subtract deuterocanonical books from Scripture and b) the Council of Trent in the mid-1500s finally makes that Tradition fixed and binding.  This is the origin of the myth that the Catholic Church "added" the deuterocanonical books to Scripture at Trent.  It is as historically accurate as the claim that the Catholic Church "added" opposition to embryonic stem cell research to its tradition during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II.

In summary then, the early Church canonized books because they were attested by apostolic tradition.  The books we have in our Bibles (and the ones we don't) were accepted or rejected according to whether they did or did not measure up to standards which were based entirely on Sacred Tradition and the divinely delegated authority of the Body of Christ.


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To: NYer; whispering out loud; sandyeggo
One compelling biblical fact that points clearly to Simon Peter’s primacy among the 12 Apostles and his importance and centrality to the drama of Christ’s earthly ministry, is that he is mentioned by name

Actually, as someone pointed out on another thread, according to Acts 15 it was James who ran the Jerusalem Council, not Peter. Peter was there and played a supporting role (Acts 15:7) but it was James who rendered the verdict (Acts 15:13). Now if Peter was the leader of the Church, sitting in judgment, one has to wonder why James would be the one to make the final decision? The only conclusion one can come to based upon scripture is that James led the early church.

221 posted on 02/07/2006 4:31:10 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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To: NYer

Written Tradition bump.


222 posted on 02/07/2006 4:32:35 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Diva
"Anti-Catholics"? Here?

Protestants love their Catholic brethren and seek to turn them to the true light.

I think the Catholics also love their brethren and seek to turn them to the true light.

Right?

Best in a Christian on Christian "event" is to avoid these Ying/Yang things where everything is divided into yes/no, up/down, right/wrong, hate/love dichotomies. That belongs to a different religion.

223 posted on 02/07/2006 4:40:08 AM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: Diva
Wow that was quick...didn't take the anti-Catholics long to swarm into this thread.

This is an anti-protestant thread.

224 posted on 02/07/2006 4:51:31 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the ping and the link!


225 posted on 02/07/2006 5:53:23 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: Diego1618

This verse is indeed primary and IMHO and in my belief, the first and most important act any person can take is to turn to Jesus Christ and believe on His Name. That would be the first step. There would be many, many more steps, not least the many steps requiring we eat of His flesh and drink of His blood, whereby He dwells in us and we in Him. And He told us to do this: "Do this in anamnesis of Me." It is in the consecration of mere bread and wine to BE His Body and Blood that the hierarchy (that is, literally, the priesthood) of the Church arose and continued. That would also make clergy secondary to primal belief, but would not invalidate that clergy. Far to the contrary, it would charter the clergy to be a vital ministerial and Apostolic organ of the Body Catholic.

Just being able to trace one's ordinal line to the Reformers therefore does not suffice. These men are well-qualified proclaimers of the Gospel (and that is by no means a trivial or disreputable occupation and vocation). They are not priests, nor can they consecrate. Therefore their flocks do not eat of His flesh nor drink of His blood. It is a very sad thing, but the most they have is a spiritualized version of His grace. He does not dwell in them in all His fullness as He does in Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican communicants.

In Christ,
Deacon Paul+


226 posted on 02/07/2006 5:53:39 AM PST by BelegStrongbow
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

thanks for the gentle correction, none the less in his stay he perverted it. Would that be safe to say?


227 posted on 02/07/2006 5:54:36 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Catholics do not pray to saints. They do ask saints to intercede with God on behalf of their prayers.

Who among us has not had a dear one pass into death, and then thereafter occasionally whisper to them to help us, and to ask God to help us, since we presume they are now with God? This does not constitute "praying to" my dead father, but of presuming that I can communicate with him in spirit until we are reunited.


228 posted on 02/07/2006 5:56:17 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Buggman

Good. Then you should understand the distinction of "eidolon" and why the translation "graven image" is misleading to modern English speakers.


229 posted on 02/07/2006 5:58:11 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: whispering out loud; NYer
re: The founding of the Church on the first Apostles

There is also this from Matthew 16:
Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
230 posted on 02/07/2006 6:02:12 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

You are rather obtuse. God surely did not use some semi literate southerner to give us the Bible. He worked throught the Curch He Created to give us the Bible. What, did the Bible arrive in the mail one day with a return address of Heaven? You "biblical" Christians are funny. I love how you beleive that God wants you to constantly misinterpret and use His Word out of context. A little levity is a good thing! But I guess that's one of the only benefits of being having a protestant heresy.


231 posted on 02/07/2006 6:04:47 AM PST by The Cuban
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To: HarleyD
yes and as well Peter was also chastened by Paul, and James in Galatians 2 starting in verse 11. It would seem to me that Paul had some sort of authority over him as well.
232 posted on 02/07/2006 6:05:52 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Buggman

Catholics do not bow down to statues. They bow down to the cross (do you?) and before the altar in the church, and they kneel when praying to God. Sometimes in prayers they ask good people (saints and others) who have departed the earth and who are now with God, to intercede on their behalf with God. In the end, direct or indirect communication with God is the object of all prayer.


233 posted on 02/07/2006 6:08:33 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: The Cuban
Just because the Catholic church canonized the scriptures, it doesn't give them exclusivity over them, nor over Christianity, or the claim to Christ. I'm done here, let's let God finish this conversation when we stand before him.
234 posted on 02/07/2006 6:10:15 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Buggman
3) The curse of the Torah--that is, the curses it pronounces against those who break its commands (Deu. 27-28)--have all fallen on Yeshua at the Cross, so that we who are truly in Him need not fear the penalties for failing to keep it all perfectly (Gal. 3:13--so much for Purgatory!). Thus, the Torah has lost its punative power as the Law of God, but retains its authority as the Teachings (a better translation of Torah) of God.

Would this make keeping the Sabbath on Sunday wrong or sinful?

235 posted on 02/07/2006 6:12:15 AM PST by AlbionGirl
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To: TexConfederate1861

Perhaps you might find this at least interesting: I noted at that website that there is a teaching service (after which the children were dismissed) and then blessing of bread and wine followed by eating and drinking the blessed elements, prayers and dismissal. That is not a formal Communion, but it is apparently derived from the same source. What scholars have concluded is that the Last Supper was a 'chaburah' meal, that is, an informal meal among friends (chaber). At such meals anything larger than an olive was blessed by the president before being eaten. After the meal was concluded, a particular glass of wine was also blessed and everyone present drank from it.

What Our Lord did in addition was to connect the blessings of bread and wine to Himself ("Do this in anamnesis of Me"). What Buggman's congregation are doing is exactly what was done at the Last Supper without the connection to our Lord's Person as the salvational element. So far as I can see, for this congregation Jesus is King Messiah, which only equates Him with David as God's Anointed. This does come across as rather Arian.

In Christ,
Deacon Paul+


236 posted on 02/07/2006 6:15:23 AM PST by BelegStrongbow
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To: Buggman

Note: at Constantine's time, the doctrine of forgiveness was that it was not possible to forgive mortal sin after Baptism (this held even longer in North Africa), but was gradually being subsumed by the Church doctrine of having the authority to bind and loose, which meant that there could be formal absolution of sin by authorized Church clergy. As it was in dispute, Constantine took the safe road. This is not to justify him, he did many awful things. What he did not do was blaspheme the Holy Ghost, which remains the only unforgiveable sin to this day (the reason being if you do not believe that the Holy Ghost inheres in Holy Mother Church, then you can't believe that you were absolved, so you can't be absolved). So, when he was baptized, all his sins were indeed washed away and he died in a state of grace.

It was not the bit hypocrisy that I infer your post suggests.

In Christ,
Deacon Paul+


237 posted on 02/07/2006 6:23:27 AM PST by BelegStrongbow
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To: PetroniusMaximus; Mockingbird For Short
I second. Beware of Wikipedia.

Point well taken. I responded with that because Sandy had offered previously what he called a "snippet". He evidently had not read my first authoritative link. I was attempting to be facetious. You are both correct.

238 posted on 02/07/2006 7:41:10 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I've often thought that having discussions on FR is very similar to leaning your head out the window and trying to have a conversation with someone on a passing train.

I read this last night....but I'm still laughing!

239 posted on 02/07/2006 7:58:01 AM PST by Diego1618
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To: Revelation 911; TexConfederate1861; PetroniusMaximus
>Without the interpretation of the Holy Church, there is only chaos

>>why does the church limit God in this regard ?

The Church isn't limiting God, God is limiting His Church. Clearly anyone can see the wisdom of this... where are we now... 20,000 protestant denominations? Each denomination takes their particular slant on Biblical interpretation and has their own hierarchy of authority (however stunted). We may all preach Christ crucified for our sins but we are irreconcilable on the minutiae. If the Christian Church weren't harried from without, we would surely be in major turmoil from within. No denomination surrenders the interpretation of their scism!

On the contrary, you have the Catholic Church. Although peopled by flawed men who are in need of correction from time to time (Paul even corrected Peter on his attitude toward the gentiles), it has never needed correction on a matter of doctrine, dogma or the Deposit of the Faith. Indeed, the Church still believes as Christ taught it and has never waivered. There is no conflict between Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. There is only misunderstanding by those taught to distrust anything associated with the RCC.

This article was written by a former protestant who came to the faith through prayer and research. There are many more scholars of protestant theology and ministers who have done the same. If you are truly interested in matters of faith, I would send you to the Coming Home Network to read the testimonies of those who have come home to Catholic faith.

240 posted on 02/07/2006 7:58:30 AM PST by pgyanke (Christ has a tolerance for sinners; liberals have a tolerance for sin.)
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