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How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
Assoc of Students at Catholic Colleges ^ | Mark Shea

Posted on 02/06/2006 1:02:10 PM PST by NYer

It's still a jolt for some people to realize this, but the Bible did not fall down out of the sky, leather-bound and gold-monogrammed with the words of Christ in red, in 95 AD.  Rather the canon of Christian Scripture slowly developed over a period of about 1500 years.  That does not mean, of course, that Scripture was being written for 1500 years after the life of Christ.  Rather, it means that it took the Church some fifteen centuries to formally and definitively state which books out of the great mass of early Christian and pseudo-Christian books constituted the Bible.

The process of defining the canon of Scripture is an example of what the Church calls "development of doctrine".  This is a different thing than "innovation of doctrine".  Doctrine develops as a baby develops into a man, not as a baby grows extra noses, eyes, and hands.  An innovation of doctrine would be if the Church declared something flatly contrary to all previous teaching ("Pope John Paul Ringo I Declares the Doctrine of the Trinity to No Longer Be the Teaching of the Church:  Bishop Celebrate by Playing Tiddly Winks with So-Called 'Blessed Sacrament'").  It is against such flat reversals of Christian teaching that the promise of the Spirit to guard the apostolic Tradition stands.  And, in fact, there has never ever been a time when the Church has reversed its dogmatic teaching.  (Prudential and disciplinary changes are another matter.  The Church is not eternally wedded to, for instance, unmarried priests, as the wife of St. Peter can tell you.)

But though innovations in doctrine are not possible, developments of doctrine occur all the time and these tend to apply old teaching to new situations or to more completely articulate ancient teaching that has not been fully fleshed out.  So, for example, in our own day the Church teaches against the evils of embryonic stem cell research even though the New Testament has nothing to say on the matter.  Yet nobody in his five wits claims that the present Church "invented" opposition to embryonic stem cell research from thin air.  We all understand that the Church, by the very nature of its Tradition, has said "You shall not kill" for 2,000 years.  It merely took the folly of modern embryonic stem cell research to cause the Church to apply its Tradition to this concrete situation and declare what it has always believed.

Very well then, as with attacks on sacred human life in the 21st century, so with attacks on Sacred Tradition in the previous twenty.  Jesus establishes the Tradition that he has not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them (Mt 5:17).   But when Tradition bumps into the theories of early Jewish Christians that all Gentiles must be circumcised in order to become Christians, the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) is still necessary to authoritatively flesh that Tradition out.  Moreover, the Council settles the question by calling the Bible, not to the judge's bench, but to the witness stand.  Scripture bears witness to the call of the Gentiles, but the final judgment depends on the authority of Christ speaking through his apostles and elders whose inspired declaration is not "The Bible says..." but "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us..." (Acts 15:28).

In all this, the Church, as ever, inseparably unites Scripture as the light and Sacred Tradition as the lens through which it is focused.  In this way the mustard seed of the Kingdom continues to grow in that light, getting more mustardy, not less.

How then did Tradition develop with respect to the canon of Scripture?

In some cases, the Church in both east and west has a clear memory of just who wrote a given book and could remind the faithful of this.  So, for instance, when a second century heretic named Marcion proposed to delete the Old Testament as the product of an evil god and canonize the letters of Paul (but with all those nasty Old Testament quotes snipped out), and a similarly edited gospel of Luke (sanitized of contact with Judaism for your protection), the Church responded with local bishops (in areas affected by Marcion's heresy) proposing the first canons of Scripture. 

Note that the Church seldom defines its teaching (and is in fact disinclined to define it) till some challenge to the Faith (in this case, Marcion) forces it to do so.  When Marcion tries to take away from the Tradition of Scripture by deleting Matthew, Mark and John and other undesirable books, the Church applies the basic measuring rod of Tradition and says, "This does not agree with the Tradition that was handed down to us, which remembers that Matthew wrote Matthew, Mark wrote Mark and John wrote John.

Matthew also issued among the Hebrews a written Gospel in their own language, while Peter and Paul were evangelizing in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church.  After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, also handed down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter.  Luke also, the companion of Paul, set down in a book the Gospel preached by him.  Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord who reclined at his bosom also published a Gospel, while he was residing at Ephesus in Asia. (Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses, 3, 1, 1)

In other words, there is, we might say, a Standard of Roots (based on Sacred Tradition) by which the Church weighs her canon.  So when various other heretics, instead of trying to subtract from the generally received collection of holy books, instead try to add the Gospel of Thomas or any one of a zillion other ersatz works to the Church's written Tradition, the Church can point to the fact that, whatever the name on the label says, the contents do not square with the Tradition of the Church, so it must be a fake.  In other words, there is also a Standard of Fruits.  It is this dual standard of Roots and Fruits by which the Church discerns the canon -- a dual standard which is wholly based on Sacred Tradition.  The Church said, in essence, "Does the book have a widespread and ancient tradition concerning its apostolic origin and/or approval?  Check.  Does the book square with the Tradition we all learned from the apostles and the bishops they gave us?  Check.  Then it is to be used in public worship and is to be regarded as the word of God."

It was on this basis the early Church also vetoed some books and accepted others -- including the still-contested-by-some-Protestants deuterocanonical books of Tobit, Wisdom, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach and Baruch as well as some pieces of Daniel and Esther.  For the churches founded by the apostles could trace the use of the Septuagint version of the Old Testament in public worship (a Greek translation of the Old Testament which includes all these books) back to the apostles. In fact, many of the citations of Old Testament Scripture by the New Testament writers are, in fact, citations of the Septuagint (see, for example, Mark 7:6-7, Hebrews 10:5-7).  Therefore, the Body of Christ living after the apostles simply retained the apostles' practice of using the Septuagint on the thoroughly traditional grounds, "If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for us."  In contrast, the churches had no apostolic tradition handed down concerning the use of, say, the works of the Cretan poet Epimenides (whom Paul quotes in Acts 17), therefore they did not regard his works as Scripture, even though Paul quotes him.  It was by their roots and fruits that the Church's books were judged, and it was by the standard of Sacred Tradition that these roots and fruits were known.

These Root and Fruit standards are even more clearly at work in the canonization of the New Testament, especially in the case of Hebrews. There was, in fact, a certain amount of controversy in the early Church over the canonicity of this book (as well as of books like 2 Peter, Jude, and Revelation).  Some Fathers, especially in the west, rejected Hebrews (in no small part because of its lack of a signature).  Yet the Church eventually accepted it.  How?  It was judged apostolic because, in the end, the Church discerned that it met the Roots and Fruits measure when stacked up against Sacred Tradition.

The Body of Christ had long believed that Hebrews said the same thing as the Church's Sacred Tradition handed down by the bishops.  Thus, even Fathers (like Irenaeus) who rejected it from their canon of inspired Scripture still regarded it as a good book.  That is, it had always met the Fruits standard.  How then did it meet the Roots standard?  In a nutshell, despite the lack of attestation in the text of Hebrews itself, there was an ancient tradition in the Church (beginning in the East, where the book was apparently first sent) that the book originated from the pen of St. Paul. That tradition, which was at first better attested in the east than in the west (instantaneous mass communication being still some years in the future) accounts for the slowness of western Fathers (such as Irenaeus) to accept the book.  But the deep-rootedness of the tradition of Pauline authorship in the East eventually persuaded the whole Church.  In short, as with the question of circumcision in the book of Acts, the status of Hebrews was not immediately clear even to the honest and faithful (such as Irenaeus).  However, the Church in council, trusting in the guidance of Holy Spirit, eventually came to consensus and canonized the book on exactly the same basis that the Council of Jerusalem promulgated its authoritative decree:  "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us..."

Conversely, those books which the Church did not canonize as part of the New Testament were rejected because, in the end, they did not meet both the Root and Fruit standards of the Church's Sacred Tradition.  Books like the Didache or the Shepherd of Hermas, while meeting the Fruit standard, were not judged to meet the Root standard since their authors were not held to be close enough to the apostolic circle -- a circle which was, in the end, drawn very narrowly by the Spirit-led Church and which therefore excluded even Clement since he, being "in the third place from the Apostles" was not as close to the apostles as Mark and Luke (who were regarded as recording the gospels of Peter and Paul, respectively). The Church, arch-conservative as ever, relied on Sacred Tradition, not to keep adding to the New Testament revelation but to keep it as lean and close to the apostles as possible.  This, of course, is why books which met neither the Root nor Fruit standards of Sacred Tradition, such as the Gospel of Thomas, were rejected by the Church without hesitation as completely spurious.

Not that this took place overnight.  The canon of Scripture did not assume its present shape till the end of the fourth century.  It was defined at the regional Councils of Carthage and Hippo and also by Pope Damasus and included the deuterocanonical books.  It is worth noting, however, that, because these decisions were regional, none of them were dogmatically binding on the whole Church, though they clearly reflected the Sacred Tradition of the Church (which is why the Vulgate or Latin Bible--which was The Bible for the Catholic Church in the West for the next 1200 years looks the same as the Catholic Bible today).  Once again, we are looking at Sacred Tradition which is not fully developed until a) the Reformation tries to subtract deuterocanonical books from Scripture and b) the Council of Trent in the mid-1500s finally makes that Tradition fixed and binding.  This is the origin of the myth that the Catholic Church "added" the deuterocanonical books to Scripture at Trent.  It is as historically accurate as the claim that the Catholic Church "added" opposition to embryonic stem cell research to its tradition during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II.

In summary then, the early Church canonized books because they were attested by apostolic tradition.  The books we have in our Bibles (and the ones we don't) were accepted or rejected according to whether they did or did not measure up to standards which were based entirely on Sacred Tradition and the divinely delegated authority of the Body of Christ.


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To: sandyeggo
Of course, we remember that most men at that time in history were illiterate and could not read for themselves

Not true ....evidently most could.

121 posted on 02/06/2006 7:38:45 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Pyro7480
no, Grace is unmerited favor with God, Our righteousness is as filthy rags. There is nothing we could possibly do that would do justice for our sins, if it were so, then Christ would have died in vain. If God wanted us to "repair the offense against him" would he not have given us guidelines to do so? The only guide lines to repay for our sins, were the guide lines for sacrifice, which was completed with the sacrifice of Christ. Read Hebrews.
122 posted on 02/06/2006 7:39:00 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: whispering out loud
They're not "graven images" because they are not idols and they are not worshipped. The Greek in the Septuagint is eidwlon - eidolon or idol. See Exodus 20:4.

Solomon's Temple in all its glory was not mandated in every detail by God, nor was the temple that succeeded it. Yet they had statues, ornaments, and representations of every kind. And this was common throughout the region, as any archaeological dig will reveal.

123 posted on 02/06/2006 7:40:52 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Pyro7480
It was a call for them to mourn their sins, as well as repent. Not pay for physically or monetarily.
124 posted on 02/06/2006 7:42:32 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: TexConfederate1861

Greetings in Christ...

I understand your practices, I just prefer to keep all my focus on (venerate I guess one could say) Christ...is that such a bad thing?

What do you make of the scripture below particularly in comparison to the picture that has been posted of the people kneeling before the statue of Mary? I respectfully look forward to your impressions...Blessings in Christ to you and yours!

Acts 10

The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the brothers from Joppa went along. 24The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."


125 posted on 02/06/2006 7:44:19 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: AnAmericanMother

If not in worship then what is the point of carving a statue of her? Once again she was blessed among, not above women. To honor her that highly says that she had more to do with her role than she did, once again it was God who chose her, not because she was special. There is far to much emphasis put on Mary, she was a 100% human woman, not of great means, or exemplary features or qualities.


126 posted on 02/06/2006 7:48:02 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: sandyeggo
You were speaking of the Latin Vulgate, which was translated by St. Jerome, who was at Rome

Jerome translated "The Vulgate" from Bethlehem in Judea with the help of Hebrew scholars. St. Jerome

127 posted on 02/06/2006 7:53:07 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: TexConfederate1861

"Yes...read the Didache. These were oral teachings and instructions. "

I have. Is the Didache inerrant?


128 posted on 02/06/2006 7:53:12 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TexConfederate1861

"He sat at the feet of St. John."

And how is that better than reading what St. John himself wrote?

Is he better at explaining St. John's teaching than St. John was?


129 posted on 02/06/2006 7:55:51 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: TexConfederate1861
Speaking of ignorance, you are obviously ignorant of what I have posted thus far. I have quoted Exo. 20:5, which specifically forbids bowing down to any statue (i.e., graven image). I have shown a picture of people bowing to a statue of Mary. No one has denied that this is a typical Catholic practice--and one that crosses over to the Eastern Orthodox Church. Instead you want to argue that they're not actually worshipping the statue, so it's okay.

That's irrelevant; the Bible forbids the very act of bowing down to them, right there in the Decalogue. Ergo, all Catholics who do so are in a state of unrepentant sin, as are the RCC and EO heirarchies for tolerating the practice.

The Bible does not excuse sin because of what is "really" in a person's heart--rather, the Bible is built upon the presupposition that the things we say and do are reflective of what is in our hearts, "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" (Mat. 12:34).

By the way, God had the Hebrews put figures of winged Cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant.

Yes, but their prayers were always directed not to the cherubim, nor did they ask the cherubim to intercede for them. They prayed to the invisible "YHVH God of Israel, who dwells between the cherubim" (2 Ki. 19:15, cf. Exo. 25:22).

Interestingly, God also commanded Moses to make a serpent of brass and put it on a pole that all who looked on it might be healed of the bite of the asps He sent upon them as punishment (Num. 21:8). Strangely enough, this serpent was actually a type of the Messiah, who was lifted up on a cross and made sin for us (John 3:14, 2 Co. 5:21), and yet, when the people burned incense to it, Hezekiah still destroyed it (2 Ki. 18:4).

130 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:37 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Pyro7480

Psalm 103, is one of many statements in Holy Scripture that shows us God, if we approach Him confessing our sin with contrite and repent, will forgive our sins, wiping them away forever and demanding no retribution or futher action to satisfy His forgiveness, for the Father forgives us for the sake of His Son who willingly gave His life to spare us the eternal damnation...Please enjoy this most beautiful psalm:

Praise the LORD, O my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.

2 Praise the LORD, O my soul,
and forget not all his benefits-

3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,

4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,

5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.

6 The LORD works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.

7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:

8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.

9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;

10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.

11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;

12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the LORD has compassion on those who fear him

14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are like grass,
he flourishes like a flower of the field;

16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.

17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the LORD's love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children's children-

18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts.

19 The LORD has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.

20 Praise the LORD, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.

21 Praise the LORD, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.

22 Praise the LORD, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the LORD, O my soul.



Thank you Lord for sending your Son to fulfill the Law and do all that we could never do. All praise and Glory to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit!

May His blessings be upon you and yours...in Christ.


131 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:37 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: Pyro7480
Unless you have video showing that they are bowing TO the statue, that isn't a good example of a pic supporting your view.

Are you actually denying that they are bowing to the statue? Or are you just trying to kick up dust to obscure the issue?

If there were a Bible in front of them instead of the statue, and knew nothing of the group, what conclusion would you draw? Possibly a similar one.

Unless it were evident that they were reading the Bible, yes I would. See post 105, about halfway down.

Why? Are you suggesting that they are actually just reading the statue?

132 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:25 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: whispering out loud
If not in worship then what is the point of carving a statue of her?

Remember that this is an OLD church -- until recently (in church terms) most folks couldn't read. The stained glass windows and the statues and wall paintings in churches were a guide to the illiterate of the Gospels and the lives of the saints. Periodically iconoclasts come along and try to wipe out representational art -- oddly enough, right now they seem only to get exercised about the statues and leave the stained glass alone . . .

Of course the Blessed Virgin was 100 percent human, but she was chosen by God to carry His son . . . through God's grace, not her own merit, she was made special because of her freely-chosen role in salvation. (It couldn't have happened without her, and she DID have a choice, before she said, "Be it done unto me according to Thy word.")

She does help people to Christ who are too shy or too humble to go without support. In medieval times, she was often represented as interceding with her Son on behalf of sinners, whom she sheltered under her cloak while she pleaded for them. (Who hasn't gone to their mom to intercede for them with dad, after they've broken a window or put a dent in the fender . . . ?)

133 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
You can, I hope, grasp the difference between bowing down TO a "graven image", and WORSHIPPING it -- and kneeling in intercessory prayer?

The Bible makes no such distinction, ma'am. The Bible equates our actions with what's in our hearts.

134 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:57 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: TexConfederate1861
Check out the Orthodox Church....it is the closest to what existed then.

Which day do they claim is the Sabbath?

135 posted on 02/06/2006 8:02:27 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman
It doesn't say "graven image" in the original. It says "idol." "Graven image" is 17th century English for "idol". You can look it up.

Idols are worshipped. Statues are not.

136 posted on 02/06/2006 8:02:53 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Buggman
The Bible plainly makes the distinction. The Bible is full of fine distinctions.

It helps if you read the original with a good lexicon.

137 posted on 02/06/2006 8:03:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sandyeggo
Does it never cease to irk you that the Catholic Church IS the Church of the apostles?

Actually the term "Catholic" is never mentioned in scripture. The Church began by Christ and continued throughout the New Testament is "The Church of God".

It is specifically mentioned 12 times in the New Testament, (example; Acts 20:28) and Jesus prayed to the Father that He, (The Father) would keep the Apostles in His (The Father's) own Name; [John 17:11]. God's name was not Catholic.

The "Church of God" is still being referenced well into the 2nd century by the Early Church fathers in their writings. Polycarp's epistle to the Philippians

138 posted on 02/06/2006 8:06:44 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: whispering out loud; Buggman; TexConfederate1861; AnAmericanMother; NYer; Salvation; AlaninSA; ...
From How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods, Jr., pgs 116-117:

"Between the 720s and 740s he [John of Damascus, a saint in both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches] wrote his Three Treatises on the Divine Images in response to iconoclasm. Naturally, much of his argument was based on biblical and patristic citations, as well as the testimony of tradition as a whole, with regard to the specific question of whether God really opposed the veneration of images, as the iconoclasts claimed. But he also offered important theological defense of religious art. John detected with the iconoclast position a tendency towards Manichaeism, a heresy that had divided the world into a realm of wickedness, that of matter, and one of goodness, that of the spirit.... 'You abuse matter and call it worthless,' John scolded the iconoclasts. 'So do the Manichees, but the divine Scripture proclaims that it is good. For it says, "And God saw everything that He had made, and behold it was exceedingly good."'

Mr. Woods then gives a larger quote from St. John on pgs. 117-188:

I do not venerate matter, I venerate the fashioner of matter, who became matter [through the Incarnation] for my sake and accepted to dwell in matter and through matter worked my salvation, and I will not cease from reverencing matter, through which my salvation was worked.... Therefore I reverence the rest of matter and hold in respect that through which my salvation came, because it is filled with divine energy and grace. Is not the thrice-precious and thrice-blessed wood of the cross matter? Is not the holy and august mountain, the place of the skull, matter? Is not the life-giving and life-bearing rock, the holy tomb, the source of the resurrection, matter? Is not the ink and the all-holy book of the Gospels matter? Is not the life-bearing table, which offers to us the bread of life, matter? Is not the gold and silver matter, out of which crosses and tables and bowls are fashioned? And before all these things, is not the body and blood of my Lord matter? Either do away with reverence and veneration for all these or submit to the tradition of the Church and follow the veneration of images of God and friends of God, sanctified by name and therefore overshadowed by the grace of the divine Spirt [from the Three Treatises].

139 posted on 02/06/2006 8:07:04 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: whispering out loud

Did Jonah condemn them for putting on sackcloth?


140 posted on 02/06/2006 8:08:14 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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