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To: XeniaSt
Jesus did not preach anything else other than the Tanach.

That is true partially, but Jesus certainly expounded on their meanings as taught by the then religious authorities.

For example: Ye have heard that it was said to the ancients, Thou shalt not commit murder, and whosoever shall commit murder shall be guilty of the judgment; but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother out of control shall be in danger of the judgment (Mat 5:21-22).

And of course, when Jesus talks about suffering in the face of persecution and turning the other cheek, I don't find that in the OT. Perhaps you might help me there, I don't find it.

He condemned the traditions of man and always pointed to the Holy Word of G-d

No He didn't. We have previously discussed this. Jesus only condemns traditions that move men AWAY from God. Thus, Jesus tells His Apostles to OBEY THOSE WHO SIT IN THE CHAIR OF MOSES...Where is that in Scriptures??? In addition, Jesus, at the end of Matthew's Gospel, says NOTHING about the written Word of God (nor do the other Gospels) when He commissions His Apostles to teach and preach ALL that He had taught them. Nothing about securing a printing press and distributing pamplets of the "Gospel" for private interpretation...

Regards

68 posted on 02/05/2006 12:50:02 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
XS> Y'shua did not preach anything else other than the Tanach.

jk>That is true partially, but Jesus certainly expounded on their meanings as taught by the then religious authorities.

For example: Ye have heard that it was said to the ancients,
Thou shalt not commit murder, and whosoever shall commit murder
shall be guilty of the judgment; but I say unto you, That whosoever
is angry with his brother out of control shall be in danger of the judgment (Mat 5:21-22).

And of course, when Jesus talks about suffering in the face of persecution
and turning the other cheek, I don't find that in the OT. Perhaps you might help me there, I don't find it.

XS> He condemned the traditions of man and always pointed to the Holy Word of G-d

No He didn't. We have previously discussed this.
Jesus only condemns traditions that move men AWAY from God.
Thus, Jesus tells His Apostles to OBEY THOSE WHO SIT IN THE CHAIR OF MOSES.
..Where is that in Scriptures???
In addition, Jesus, at the end of Matthew's Gospel, says NOTHING about the written Word of God
(nor do the other Gospels) when He commissions His Apostles to teach and preach ALL that He had taught them.
Nothing about securing a printing press and distributing pamplets(sic) of the "Gospel" for private interpretation...

Regards

68 posted on 02/05/2006 1:50:02 PM MST by jo kus

Y'shua, who is the Word of G-d, taught from what we know as the Holy Word of G-d (the Tanach).
He initiated the New Covenant as prophesied in Jeremiah 31:31.

Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming," declares YHvH, "when I will make
a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Jeremiah 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to
[Hebrew; Septuagint and Syriac covenant, and I turned away
from] them," [Or was their master] declares YHvH.

Jeremiah 31:33 "This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares YHvH. "I will put my law in
their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Thus He moved obedience from a ridged adherence
of the word of the Law to the spirit of the Law
The word of the Law had been surrounded
by tradition which clouded the Holy Word of G-d
Y'shua returned back to the fundamental of

Leviticus 19:17 "'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your
neighbor frankly so that you will not share in his guilt.

Leviticus 19:18 "'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your
people, but love your neighbour as yourself. I am YHvH.

XS> He condemned the traditions of man and always pointed to the Holy Word of G-d

js>No He didn't. We have previously discussed this.
Jesus only condemns traditions that move men AWAY from God.

OK!

What kind of tradition of man would defy the Holy Word of G-d
which clearly identifies the day of the week
to keep Holy and instead claim to have the authority
to move it to a celebration of a Pagan sun god.

What kind of tradition of man would condemn the celebration
of a appointed time i.e.( Pesach; Passover)
which was celebrated by Y'shua with His Apostles and
again create another Pagan festival for Ishtar from Babylon?

These seem to be two examples of
the tradition of man moving men AWAY from G-d!

And more specifically AWAY from the Holy Word of G-d.

Which were and are condemned by Y'shua.

What does the "Chair of Moses" mean?

Tradition at that time was whoever sat in the Chair of Moses
was to read the Tanach as it was written.

jk>In addition, Jesus, at the end of Matthew's Gospel, says NOTHING about the written Word of God

Because there was already the written Holy Word of G-d!

The Tanach is the Holy Word of G-d.

b'shem Y'shua

96 posted on 02/06/2006 11:57:05 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: jo kus; XeniaSt

Jesus also never told the Apostles to meet on Sunday or called it the “Lord’s Day.” Yet, that is what the Apostles did while at the same time going to synagogue on the Sabbath.

Eventually, they ceased going to synagogue when it was destroyed in 70AD and the “Lord’s Day” became the Sabbath for Christians.

That Tradition of Men continues to this day with nearly every Christian denomination meeting on Sunday and observing it as the Sabbath.

The founders of this country, Christian men and women made it against the law to do business on Sunday because of the Sabbath and the commandment to “Keep it Holy.”


161 posted on 02/22/2011 11:37:18 AM PST by Jvette
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