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To: jo kus
XS> Y'shua did not preach anything else other than the Tanach.

jk>That is true partially, but Jesus certainly expounded on their meanings as taught by the then religious authorities.

For example: Ye have heard that it was said to the ancients,
Thou shalt not commit murder, and whosoever shall commit murder
shall be guilty of the judgment; but I say unto you, That whosoever
is angry with his brother out of control shall be in danger of the judgment (Mat 5:21-22).

And of course, when Jesus talks about suffering in the face of persecution
and turning the other cheek, I don't find that in the OT. Perhaps you might help me there, I don't find it.

XS> He condemned the traditions of man and always pointed to the Holy Word of G-d

No He didn't. We have previously discussed this.
Jesus only condemns traditions that move men AWAY from God.
Thus, Jesus tells His Apostles to OBEY THOSE WHO SIT IN THE CHAIR OF MOSES.
..Where is that in Scriptures???
In addition, Jesus, at the end of Matthew's Gospel, says NOTHING about the written Word of God
(nor do the other Gospels) when He commissions His Apostles to teach and preach ALL that He had taught them.
Nothing about securing a printing press and distributing pamplets(sic) of the "Gospel" for private interpretation...

Regards

68 posted on 02/05/2006 1:50:02 PM MST by jo kus

Y'shua, who is the Word of G-d, taught from what we know as the Holy Word of G-d (the Tanach).
He initiated the New Covenant as prophesied in Jeremiah 31:31.

Jeremiah 31:31 "The time is coming," declares YHvH, "when I will make
a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.

Jeremiah 31:32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to
[Hebrew; Septuagint and Syriac covenant, and I turned away
from] them," [Or was their master] declares YHvH.

Jeremiah 31:33 "This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares YHvH. "I will put my law in
their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Thus He moved obedience from a ridged adherence
of the word of the Law to the spirit of the Law
The word of the Law had been surrounded
by tradition which clouded the Holy Word of G-d
Y'shua returned back to the fundamental of

Leviticus 19:17 "'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your
neighbor frankly so that you will not share in his guilt.

Leviticus 19:18 "'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your
people, but love your neighbour as yourself. I am YHvH.

XS> He condemned the traditions of man and always pointed to the Holy Word of G-d

js>No He didn't. We have previously discussed this.
Jesus only condemns traditions that move men AWAY from God.

OK!

What kind of tradition of man would defy the Holy Word of G-d
which clearly identifies the day of the week
to keep Holy and instead claim to have the authority
to move it to a celebration of a Pagan sun god.

What kind of tradition of man would condemn the celebration
of a appointed time i.e.( Pesach; Passover)
which was celebrated by Y'shua with His Apostles and
again create another Pagan festival for Ishtar from Babylon?

These seem to be two examples of
the tradition of man moving men AWAY from G-d!

And more specifically AWAY from the Holy Word of G-d.

Which were and are condemned by Y'shua.

What does the "Chair of Moses" mean?

Tradition at that time was whoever sat in the Chair of Moses
was to read the Tanach as it was written.

jk>In addition, Jesus, at the end of Matthew's Gospel, says NOTHING about the written Word of God

Because there was already the written Holy Word of G-d!

The Tanach is the Holy Word of G-d.

b'shem Y'shua

96 posted on 02/06/2006 11:57:05 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: XeniaSt
Thus He moved obedience from a ridged adherence of the word of the Law to the spirit of the Law

I agree, brother, Jesus was teaching adherence to the Law for the sake of love, not for the sake of following rules. But this has nothing to do with "tradition" or a teaching given orally vs. written.

What kind of tradition of man would defy the Holy Word of G-d which clearly identifies the day of the week to keep Holy and instead claim to have the authority to move it to a celebration of a Pagan sun god.

As you know, the Christians worshipped God on Sunday because Christ rose from the dead on that day, not because of a pagan God! The "Day of the Lord" is clearly written of in the Scriptures - IF the Scriptures are the Word of God, then God is allowing this new dispensation.

What kind of tradition of man would condemn the celebration of a appointed time i.e.( Pesach; Passover) which was celebrated by Y'shua with His Apostles and again create another Pagan festival for Ishtar from Babylon

Christians celebrate Passover and call it "the Last Supper" celebration. It is a commeration that Christ commanded of us. The Passover is a shadow of the good things to come - and Christ's death, the death of the Lamb of God, supercedes the Passover lamb of Moses' time. Easter and the Triduum have nothing to do with Pagan festivals...! Christians willingly went to their death for the express purpose of NOT succumbing to pagan ideas!

These seem to be two examples of the tradition of man moving men AWAY from G-d!

I respectfully disagree. History clearly sides with me, as both celebrations are found in Scriptures, the Word of God.

Tradition at that time was whoever sat in the Chair of Moses was to read the Tanach as it was written.

Clearly, then, you admit that ALL traditions are not bad? Jesus Himself told the Apostles to follow that tradition!

Because there was already the written Holy Word of G-d!

The New Testament was not written yet when Christ ascended into heaven.

Regards

106 posted on 02/06/2006 6:12:33 PM PST by jo kus
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