sola scripture=The teaching that the Scriptures contain all that is necessary for salvation and proper living before God.
I couldn't disagree with you more...It a matter of Final Authority...God wrote the Bible...He tells us that...I believe that...I believe that when God says my salvation is 'secured' unto eternity, I believe He was telling the truth...I know it's true...
I would never claim you are not a saved, born again Christian but look at this verse that I'm sure you are familiar with:
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I have a spiritual connection with God...I know what he says is true...
You on the other hand, look to a church for your final authority...No thanks, not for me...
I asked God to save me and he did...I got baptized to show the world what I did...Jesus says that puts me into his church (small c) as part of the Bride of Christ...
I wouldn't trust my eternal destination to 'any' body or group of people, especially when that group is making the rules about my salvation out side of God's word, the Bible...
When or where did God tell us that He wrote the Bible, or even every book within it? Does He come down from heaven and tell you this personally, and to each and every Christian?
I believe that when God says my salvation is 'secured' unto eternity, I believe He was telling the truth...I know it's true
Again, God TELLS you? How exactly does God tell you anything without other men telling us that God told THEM? How do you know the "voice of God" in your mind is really the voice of God?
I have a spiritual connection with God...I know what he says is true...You on the other hand, look to a church for your final authority...No thanks, not for me......
Isn't the Church the Body of Christ (Ephesians 5, 1 Cor 12)? Doesn't God speak through His Church to tell us that the Scripture is the Word of God?
I asked God to save me and he did
How do you know you are not being delusional in thinking that "God" is speaking to you? Seriously? How do you know that God speaks to you directly, while you probably do not believe He speaks to Muslims to kill unarmed civilians? I am sure those Muslims are sincere in their belief that God speaks to THEM. See where this "God talked to me" gets you?
I wouldn't trust my eternal destination to 'any' body or group of people
But you do. You trusted SOMEONE that the Bible was God's Word. You believed them. Unless you are going to tell me that God came and spoke to you personally in your bedroom...
Regards
Iscool,
You wrote: "I couldn't disagree with you more...It a matter of Final Authority...God wrote the Bible...He tells us that...I believe that...I believe that when God says my salvation is 'secured' unto eternity, I believe He was telling the truth...I know it's true..."
Is anyone here doubting that scripture is true? We knew scripture to be true 1500 years before your religious ancestors walked the earth. We TAUGHT YOU that scripture is true. Scripture being true in no way means sola scriptura is true. After all, it is a self-refuting proposition for sola scriptura is no where in scripture.
And aren't you forgetting that Christ sent the Church? Isn't it the Church's job to teach? Ever realize just how great a teacher the Church is? Read Ephesians 3:14. The Church even teaches angels. And yet you think it isn't worthy to teach you?
"I would never claim you are not a saved, born again Christian but look at this verse that I'm sure you are familiar with: 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
I am familiar with the verse. But you are making an assumption here. Do you know what it is?
"I have a spiritual connection with God...I know what he says is true..."
So do I. I also know you are wrong. We can't both be right. It is unlikely we are both wrong. So how do we decide who is right?
"You on the other hand, look to a church for your final authority...No thanks, not for me..."
You look to yourself as your final authority. Please don't even try to tell me that you rely on scripture. You don't. You rely ON YOUR INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE. Lutherans believe in sola scriptura -- and they baptize infants. Baptists believe in sola scriptura -- and they DON'T baptize infants. Who is right? Clearly sola scriptura doesn't work. When someone uses sola scriptura he rely just relies on his own conclusions, feelings, thoughts, desires, and needs. Is that all there is?
"I asked God to save me and he did...I got baptized to show the world what I did...Jesus says that puts me into his church (small c) as part of the Bride of Christ..."
Jesus also sent the Church. Yet you ignore it.
"I wouldn't trust my eternal destination to 'any' body or group of people, especially when that group is making the rules about my salvation out side of God's word, the Bible..."
No, you'll just trust your eternal salvation to a group of editors, translators, commentaries and your mood that day. Yeah, I think you're on the losing end there. I trust in God's word. I also trust in God's Church. He sent both.
Begginmg the qutestion about the content of the Bible. Without a groups of people tyo publish it, the Bible as we know it, would noit exist. Perhaps the books attributed to Moses were dictated directly by God, but there is no evidence that the same is true of the New Testament. The Four Gospels are obviously the work of separate authors. Luke, the only evangelist to make a claim to authorship, presents a different story from that of Matthew and Mark, and these three one quite different from that of John. We do not know when, where or for what particular reason, that any of these books were written, and certain not when they came into common use.