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Interesting. I have been asking myself today, as I have on many occasions, "Should I tell what I have heard?" The hearing is costly--I am overwhelmed in His flood, exhausted; the telling is costly, too, for man will make of the vision what he will, with what eyes he has.

Alamo-Girl and hosepipe, we were having a discussion the other day. It was on a different thread, and about the subject of the Stone of Seven Facets.

You encouraged me to delve into the the understanding of the foundations, the 12 gemstones of the New Jerusalem. While exploring this realm I've uncovered more about the Stone, and stones in general. Do you want to hear it? Is this the time and place?

In reference to the 12 foundations question, AG, I need your acumen: Would you please give me a simple, scientific, working and workable definition of "refraction" and "reflection"? (I'm not pleased with Webster's!)

Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
He changes times and seasons;
he sets up kings and deposes them.
He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning.
He reveals deep and hidden things;
he knows what lies in darkness,
and light dwells with him.
I thank and praise you, O God of my fathers:
You have given me wisdom and power,
you have made known to me what we asked of you.
Daniel 2

[ You encouraged me to delve into the the understanding of the foundations, the 12 gemstones of the New Jerusalem. While exploring this realm I've uncovered more about the Stone, and stones in general. Do you want to hear it? Is this the time and place? ]

Absolutly 30carbine <-shoot.. Taking my own advice, I did too (consider New Jerusalem in its metaphorical aspects)..
If not here then, where?, I would say.. Ozzie Chambers is just to get the fellowship going here, I believe.. I'll start it off since I'm the resident Moonbat...

I see New Jerusalem as a spiritual place for spirits and since spirits have no need of gender, food, clothing, bathing, riches, or even SHAPE and a plethora of other earthly necessity's .. Description of it must be metaphorical to vaguely grasp the things "eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has entered into the heart of them that love him"(verse in ICor).. No, New Jerusalem is a spiritual place for spirits in the spiritual dimension (whatever that is).. And the stones are the spirits themselves.. New Jerusalem is not a place FOR spirits but it is the spirits themselves.. Different kinds of spirits merged in the light fellowship as a foundation.. with other things (river of life etc.) as bases of conversation of the "mergings" of spirits in spiritual unity.. With harmony and joyful energy shining out in a musical orchestration as sound like crystal singing.. since ideas then will emit light and sound.. Language with words will not be needed because the spirits are merged making language obsolete..

Thats part of what I got.. a small part.. What did you get?.. Even if I only have a version of the reality of it.. as much as my mind can absorb now with my qualia.. It beats wandering around streets of gold as a lonely spirit which would quickly bore me..

John saw something in his "vision" to even wite Rev..21-22.. and shared as much as his qualia allowed.. The various quales in his "vision" are quite wonderful.. but metaphorical I think.. What do you think?.. Since we're playing as children in a spiritual playground..

God MUST be loving this.. us being his children..

[ "refraction" and "reflection" ]

These things "gemwise", are different than base definition.. maybe

Reflection is changing direction from 1 degree to 180 degrees(reversal) of ALL wavelenghts of light(photons)..

Refraction is spliting the light entering into separate wavelenghts.. (red, blue, green, yellow) or even into a mix of wavelenghts(like Opal does or Pearl)

That being said, there are wavelenghs of light invisible to humans like microwaves, radio and tv waves that are just as much light as visible light is.. even X-rays.. there may even be forms of light we(humans) don't even know exists.. i.e. dark energy.. gems are all about light..

Not only that; but "gems" can make light "lase" as in "Lasers".. which is a subject not usually approached on the subject of light and Gems.. but it is so.. Gems(say a ruby) can make "light" enter into a form that can burn thru metal even.. Basically light focused so tightly it takes on propertys that light don't usually have.. naturally, that I know of..

Light and Gems, photons, lasing, approached in a spiritual "light"(metaphor) makes my mind reel.. After saying all that, the spirit/Spirit could in reality be a form of light.. Tangible in the extreme, maybe more tangible than matter.. I know I'm reaching.. ugh!.. pass the concepts.. (at this Lords table).. LoL..