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To: fat city

Zen also does not posit anything. Everythign is absurd, everything is nothing, everything is everything.


25 posted on 01/22/2006 6:53:58 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: TheGeezer

"Zen also does not posit anything. Everythign is absurd, everything is nothing, everything is everything."

And let's not forget the delights of the koans. "What is the sound of one hand clapping" -- or was it "the sound of one ham crapping"?


34 posted on 01/22/2006 7:04:50 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: TheGeezer
Zen is very meditation based, without much chanting or reliance on Sutra. They seek an individual liberation, although they are sort of Mahayana, in many ways there are Hinyana, especially in the US forms, like the Mountains and Rivers order.

I do not understand how a Catholic Christian can also be a Buddhist 'master.' From what I read of the posts, this Jesuit order is outside the mainstream of Catholic Christianity (? -or do I not understand?) But the Zen Roshi's mentioned are outside of much of traditional Buddhist practice, as is much of American Zen.

Our Temple has often had Zen visitors and we sometimes visit their Zendo. It is a very different experience. Vietnamese Zen and Chinese Chan Buddhists are closer to mainstream Buddhism than American Zen.

A Buddhist is not exclusive. We believe that anyone may earn merit if they show compassion for others and are working to ease the suffering of other sentient beings.It is not exclusive with Christianity.

My failure to understand is that I thought that Christians believed that the only way was through their forgiveness from God.

It seems to me that while Buddhists and Christians can live together and work together and even be friends (I have many good Christian and Catholic friends including a Colubmus Knight) - it just seems like the faith - and especially the priesthood itself - should be one way or the other.

I am born Buddhist and raised Buddhist. I am not Christian and I dont want to convert anyone or to be converted by anyone.

I would not want one of the Abbot at my temple or one of the monks to be both Christian and Buddhist. It just does not seem right.

Too many American Buddhists just think that they can take whatever they want from the the Sutras and Tantra and then go to a psychology book or a movie star or whoever is giving out advice on TV and mix it all together and and call that their religon. I have a Christian friend who calls it "Cafeteria Christianity." Well I do not want there to be "Cafeteria Buddhists," either.

You follow Christ. Good for you!
I follow Buddha. Good for me.


Sangye

Buddha Bless the USA
43 posted on 01/22/2006 7:24:51 PM PST by Sangey (Buddha bless the USA)
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To: TheGeezer
Zen also does not posit anything. Everythign is absurd, everything is nothing, everything is everything.

C.S. Lewis called the god-concept in the Eastern religions "an infinitely extended rice pudding."

46 posted on 01/22/2006 7:35:59 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Given the subject matter, shouldn't Heath Ledger get a Best Actress nomination?--Rambette)
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