Appearance of Mary causes Jew to turn Catholic (To Jesus through Mary)

Salvation is from the Jews ^ | Roy H. Schoeman

[NYer]

My parents were observant Jews in Europe who fled to the U.S. to escape the Holocaust.  I was raised as a "conservative" Jew, and was rather pious by nature and very enthusiastic about the religious instruction I received and the religious activities I participated in.  I went to my synagogue's after-school Jewish religious education program ("Hebrew School") all the way through grammer and high school.  By high school it was the main focus of my identity and activities, even though by that point there were only about a half-dozen of us who had continued in the program.  I was very close to my rabbi and to several of the seminarians who were my Hebrew school teachers.  As Providence had it, my hometown rabbi was Arthur Hertzberg.  One of the highest-profile rabbis in the U.S., he was president of the American Jewish Congress, advisor to several presidents, and wrote a number of best-selling books on Judaism and Jewish history.  My favorite Hebrew school teacher, with whom I was particularly close, also became a very prominent rabbi who later headed the largest Jewish rabbinical seminary in the U.S..
 
Growing up I was unusually devout and passionate about God and Judaism, although the suburban conservative context I was in did not really support a life of piety, faith and prayer. In my senior year of high school I met a very charismatic "mystic" Hasidic Rabbi (Shlomo Carlebach) who used to go around the country giving "concerts" which were really prayer meetings over which he would preside, playing guitar and leading Hasidic worship songs, interspersed with religious story-telling and teaching. He had a large following among Jewish hippies and college students.   I fell in with him, and spent the following summer traveling with him in Israel in his entourage.  I wanted to live my life for God and with God, and while in Israel I considered abandoning my plans to go to M.I.T. in order to stay in Israel studying at one of the Jerusalem yeshivas (which are schools where young men devote their time to prayer and religious study, the closest thing Judaism has to religious life).  But I was turned off by a certain sterility and coldness which I saw in them, and which did not speak of real intimacy with God.

So I returned to the U.S. and started at M.I.T.  I felt very lost, because anything which did not have God at its center seemed to have no point or meaning, yet there was nothing I could "do" which did have God at its center.  The former Hebrew school teacher with whom I was close had also by then moved to Boston, where he started a kind of counter-culture, hippie-oriented Jewish seminary/commune.  During my first few weeks at M.I.T. I considered dropping out, but he encouraged me to stay, and I did, spending much of my free time at his seminary/commune.

Although I tried to maintain my religious orientation, there was a fatal flaw in it which soon led me astray.  I had no understanding of the relationship between religion and morality, particularly sexual morality.  So my religiosity soon became mixed up in the drug and "free love" culture which was rampant, and soon degenerated into the immoral, vague hippie "spirituality" of the time.  My thirst for God became, for a long while, sated by the false consolations and delusional spirituality of that environment.

For the next fifteen years, I lived my life in a tremendous inner tension.  I had a yearning for transcendent meaning, and a refusal to let go of that yearning for more than short periods, but had no knowledge of what that yearning was truly for, and hence no sense of a direction to go in.  Because a conventional engineer's life in the U.S. had no "meaning", I moved to Denmark, because I sensed, in the deeper relationship which Danes had with life and family, a greater spiritual meaning, but once there it was obviously not my real life so I returned.  For a few years after my return, while working as a programmer, I lived for rock-climbing, with the excitement and sense of danger and accomplishment which it produced providing an anesthetic for my thirst for meaning.  In 1978 I went back to school, to Harvard Business School for an M.B.A., but the momentary feelings of success which that produced did not assuage my desperation for real meaning for long.  Anything which I tried, whether a career switch or a romantic relationship, only produced a momentary illusion of purpose which soon faded, leaving me with the desperate sense that there must be something more.  That is why I never settled in to a career, or married.

At Harvard Business School I did extraordinarily well, winning most of the available awards in my class, and graduating among the top few with "High Distinction."  Shortly after graduation I was invited to join the faculty, and did so, teaching the core marketing course in the M.B.A. program.  Yet even the success of being a Harvard Business School professor, and a very popular one at that, at thirty years of age did not assuage my sense of pointlessness.  I loved the teaching and the students but did not find much interest in the subject matter itself.  After teaching Harvard offered to support me (very generously) while I completed a doctorate so that I could qualify for tenure, but once into my dissertation my lack of genuine interest caught up with me, and I went back to consulting.

It was around this time that I got involved with my last "false consolation", my last false direction to provide meaning to my life.  As a child I had been an enthusiastic downhill skier, but I gave it up when I went to college.   I now took it up again with a vengeance, supporting myself with consulting while spending most of every winter skiing in the Alps. I became very good, and my skiing companions in the Alps were all professional skiers, "circuit" skiers,  Olympic hopefuls, etc.  For a few years I lived for skiing, finding enough consolation in the physical excitement, the speed, the aesthetics, the sense of accomplishment, the camaraderie, to dull the thirst for meaning in my life.

Of course God was using everything in my life to bring me to Him, and it would soon bear fruit.    It was when I was in the spectacular natural beauty of the Alps that I became aware of the existence of God for the first time since college.  I remember the scene -- I was high up on the mountain, still well above tree line, shortly after sunset, with the sky glowing a soft red and the snow and granite glowing blue in the twilight.  My heart opened with gratitude, and I knew that such beauty had been created by God.   It is worth noting that the area of Austria which I was in was still deeply and piously Catholic, with beautiful crucifixes everywhere, both inside the houses, hotels and restaurants and also along the roads and even trails.  Even in the ski town the Church was packed for Sunday Mass. (In fact, in the bed-and-breakfast where I was staying a carved wooden crucifix, with corpus, hung over my bed.  Every evening when I returned to the room I would remove it and place it in a drawer -- I had no desire to sleep under a cross ! -- and the following day I would find it had been rehung over the bed,without comment,  by the devout, elderly woman in whose home I was staying).
 
After a few years of living for skiing, that too began to pale, and I became more and more despondent.  The only relief I could find was spending time alone in nature, trying to recapture a hint of the consolation which I had felt in the Alps.  During the spring of 1987 I took a few days off from work and went to Cape Cod to spend time in the nature there.  I was walking in the early morning, in the woods just back from the beach, when God intervened, dramatically and distinctly, into my life to pull me back and put me onto the right path.  As I was walking, lost in my thoughts, I found myself in the immediate presence of God.  It is as though I "fell into Heaven."  Everything changed from one moment to the next, but in such a smooth and subtle way that I was not aware of any discontinuity.  I felt myself in the immediate presence of God.  I was aware of His infinite exaltedness, and of His infinite and personal love for me.  I saw my life as though I was looking back on it after death, in His presence, and could see everything which I would be happy about and everything which I would wish I had done differently.  I saw that every action I had ever done mattered, for good or for evil.  I saw that everything which had ever happened in my life had been perfectly designed for my own good from the infinitely wise and loving hand of God, not only including but especially those things which I at the time I thought had been the greatest catastrophes.  I saw that my two greatest regrets when I died would be every moment which I had wasted not doing anything of value in the eyes of God, and all of the time and energy which I had wasted worrying about not being loved when every moment of my existence I was bathed in an infinite sea of love, although unaware of it.  I saw that the meaning and purpose of my life was to worship and serve my Lord and Master, in whose presence I found myself.  I wanted to know His name, so that I could worship Him properly, so that I could follow "His" religion.  I remember silently praying "Tell me your name.  I don't mind if You're Apollo, and I have to become a Roman pagan.  I don't mind if You're Krishna, and I have to become a Hindu.  I don't mind if You're Buddha, and I have to become a Buddhist.  As long as You're not Christ, and I have to become a Christian!" (Jewish readers might be able to identify with this deep-rooted aversion to Christianity, based on the mistaken belief that it was the "enemy" which lay behind two thousand years of persecution of the Jews.)

Not surprisingly, He did not tell me His name. Obviously, I wasn't ready to hear it -- my resistance at the time was still too great.  But I knew, from that moment on, the meaning and purpose and goal of my life; and that sense has not faded or wavered, although the immediate state of perception did.

When I got back home, everything was different.  I remember calling my mother and telling her "Mom, I have good news!  It's all true! You don't ever die..."  only to be met with a sort of stony silence.  It had never occurred to me that she might not believe me -- after all, I knew from my own direct experience!  Although I went back to my consulting, everything was now different, and I set out on a focused search to find my Lord and Master and God whom I had met on the beach that day.

Because I interpreted the experience as a "mystical" one, I initially looked towards mysticism, which led me to a lot of blind alleys.  Prior to my experience I had not had any interest at all in mysticism or any of the New Age religions or meditative practices or occultism, and those are what I first came across.  I spent a number of months looking in that, essentially Hindu although disguised, direction.

Yet every night before going to sleep, I would say a short prayer to know the name of my Lord and Master and God whom I had met on the beach.  A year to the day after the initial experience, I went to sleep after saying that prayer, and felt as though I was woken by a gentle hand on my shoulder, and escorted to a room where I was left alone with the most beautiful young woman I could imagine.  I knew without being told that she was the Blessed Virgin Mary.  I felt entirely awake (and my memory is as though I had been awake), although I was dreaming.  I remember my first reaction, standing there awed by her presence and grandeur, was wishing I knew at least the Hail Mary so that I could honor her!  She offered to answer any questions I had.  I remember thinking about what to ask, asking the questions, and her answers.  After speaking to me a while longer, the audience was ended.  When I woke the next morning I was hopelessly in love with the Blessed Virgin Mary, and I knew that the God I had met on the beach was Christ, and, and that all I wanted was to be as much of, and as good a, Christian as possible.  I still did not know anything about Christianity, nor the difference between the Catholic Church and any of the hundreds of Protestant denominations.  It took me another two years or so to find my way to the Catholic Church, guided by my love and reverence for the Blessed Virgin Mary.

[Dark Skies]

Thx for this great post. I never tire of reading Roy Schoeman's conversion experience.

[NYer]

This image reminds me particularly of the appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary in my dream.

I will just touch briefly on some of the milestones which led me to the Catholic Church.  After the dream of Mary, I started going to a local Protestant Church, but left when I asked the pastor about Mary and he made a disparaging remark.  I started hanging around Marian shrines, particularly a shrine of Our Lady of La Salette which was in Ipswich, Mass., about 40 minutes from my house.  On a winter ski trip to the Alps, I decided to visit the real La Salette apparition site (in the French Alps), and ended up spending the rest of the "ski" trip there, in deep prayer (more details on that stay can be found here).  Someone I met there recommended that I make a visit to a Carthusian monastery, and I ended up doing so, spending a week there, on a kind of solitary "come and see" although I was still Jewish!  There I became aware, for the first time, how the Catholic Church was itself an outgrowth of Judaism.  It was unavoidably obvious, given how the monks spent many hours a day chanting the Old Testament psalms, with their continual references to Israel, Zion, Jerusalem, the Jewish Patriarchs, and the Jewish people, visibly identifying with the "Israel" of the psalms (that is, the Jews).  A small illustration: One day when I was working alone in the fields, an elderly monk came out to speak with me.  He approached and shyly asked, "Tell us, if you don't mind -- We couldn't help noticing that you do not receive communion, so you must not be Catholic.  What then are you?"  When I replied "Jewish", he grinned and with a deep sigh said "That's a relief!  We were afraid you were Protestant!".  At the time I had no understanding at all of the difference between Protestants and Catholics -- they were just meaningless words to me describing Christians -- yet I was deeply struck by the fact that in some mysterious way this monk identified with Jews as opposed to Protestants.  I later realized that in his eyes Jews were "elder brothers in the Faith" who had not yet received the grace to recognize the Messiahship of Jesus, whereas Protestants had once had, but then rejected, the fullness of the truth. 

During that week I grew to feel Mary's central, penetrating presence in the Catholic Church. I also started to be deeply distressed at being unable to receive communion.  It was my desire to receive communion which, more than anything else, drew me to the Baptismal font.   I had sought out a Jewish priest, Father Raphael Simon, (referred to me by the Carthusian Prior) for baptism.  He was a former (Jewish) University of Chicago Philosophy professor and New York City psychiatrist, who became a Trappist monk (his conversion story is published under the title The Glory of Thy People.)  When I first met with him he asked me why I wanted to be baptised.  Since I knew that I couldn't truthfully say (at the time) that it was because I believed in all of Catholic doctrine, I angrily blurted out "Because I want to receive communion and otherwise you won't let me !"  I thought he would throw me out on my ear, but instead he nodded sagely and said "Ah, that's the Holy Spirit at work..."

So in early 1992 I was baptized and confirmed  (by a different priest, as it turned out), just in time for another more extended stay at the Carthusian monastery, to discern whether that was my vocation.  It wasn't (although the Prior continued for many years to be my spiritual director), but the fanaticism which characterized my pre-conversion life has served me well, now that I have found the true direction for my life.

Although I have no religious or priestly vocation, there is (please God) nothing in my life which is not for Him and around Him.  In a number of small ways I am active in the Church, with daily Mass and prayer being at the center of my life -- writing, teaching or speaking whenever asked, producing and hosting a Catholic TV talk show.  I have just completed a book on the role of Judaism in salvation history, Salvation is from the Jews, which is being published this year by Ignatius Press.  It should give Christians a deeper understanding of Judaism as the religion which God created to bring about the incarnation of God as man, as well as the religon into which He incarnated. To Jews it should reveal the full glory and importance of Judaism, a glory which can only be recognized in the light of the truths of the Catholic Faith.  My hope is that by illuminating Judaism with a deeper meaning and significance than Jews see from within their own faith, their pride in being Jewish will draw them towards, rather than away from, the Catholic Church. (More details on the book are given elsewhere on this website)

I will never know, this side of Heaven, whose prayers and sacrifices purchased the graces for my entirely unsought after and undeserved conversion, but I can only thank them profoundly, and exhort others, too, to pray for the conversion of the Jews; that the people to whom Jesus first made Himself known may come into the truth and into the fullness of their relationship to Him in the Catholic Church.  How tragic that we to whom God first revealed Himself as Man should be among the last to recognize Him! In the words of the Postulatum from the First Vatican Council, signed by the Fathers of the Council and endorsed by Pope Pius IX (but never formally promulgated due to the Council's premature termination upon the outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War):
 
"The undersigned Fathers of the Council humbly yet urgently beseechingly pray that the Holy Ecumenical Council of the Vatican deign to come to the aid of the unfortunate nation of Israel with an entirely paternal invitation; that is, that it express the wish that, finally exhausted by a wait no less futile than long, the Israelites hasten to recognize the Messiah, our Savior Jesus Christ, truly promised to Abraham and announced by Moses; thus completing and crowning, not changing, the Mosaic religion.

The undersigned Fathers have the very firm confidence that the holy Council will have compassion on the Israelites, because they are always very dear to God on account of their fathers, and because it is from them that the Christ was born according to the flesh!

Would that they then speedily acclaim the Christ, saying: Hosanna to the Son of David!  Blessed be He who comes in the name of the Lord!

Would that they hurl themselves into the arms of the Immaculate Virgin Mary, even now their sister according to the flesh, who wishes likewise to be their mother according to grace as she is ours!

Our Lady of Zion, pray for us!

[NYer]

Hebrew-Catholic Conference |  Hyatt Regency Jacksonville, Florida | January 27-29, 2006

Guest speakers include Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Roy Schoeman, David & Rosalind Moss. There is still time to book reservations at the following link:

LIGHT TO THE GENTILES

[MILESJESU]

Dear NYer,

I am glad to have read this article. I say that because, Roy Schoeman was interviewed tonight from 11.00 p.m. Indian Standard Time to 11.30.p.m. I.S.T. on a Program on E.W.T.N. called the "Carpenter's Shop" which I thoroughly enjoyed.

He spoke about the Nazi persecution of the Jews, The Sexual Revolution since the 1960's in the United States among other matters as well as the connection that some Radical Moslems had with Hitler in the 1920's and 1930's.

He also talked about his book and explained various chapters from "Salvation is from the Jews".

By the way, I have a huge interest in the welfare of the Maronite Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, and the Assyrian Catholics. I usually pray every night whenever I join my family for the Rosary for the protection and welfare of all these Ancient Catholic Groups-- I consider them our elder brothers in the Catholic Christian Faith.

Besides, I have a great love for "Assyrian Civilization". As, you may know they were dominant in Northern Iraq before the Birth of Jesus Christ and are credited with building many of the fine buildings and edifices that can be found there specially in the Agricultural Field.

In Jesus and Mary,

[PetroniusMaximus]

"Because I interpreted the experience as a "mystical" one, I initially looked towards mysticism, which led me to a lot of blind alleys. Prior to my experience I had not had any interest at all in mysticism or any of the New Age religions or meditative practices or occultism, and those are what I first came across. I spent a number of months looking in that,"



An experience of God that opens the writer to investigate New Age and Occult mysticism???

This experimentation would certainly open him up to an occultic experience of the appearance a dead person (purportedly Mary) who wants to "answer all his questions".

Added to this is the striking lack of any reference to the Gospel - which ALONE is the power of salvation, or conviction of and turning from specific sin in his life.


1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God:

[Nihil Obstat]

My favorite part of his story is that in the dream he asked Mary what her favorite song was. She told him but he couldn't understand the language so he memorized it phonetically and wrote it down phonetically the next morning.

Later on a Portuguese woman saw it and told him that it was a prayer that Portuguese mothers sing to their children.

[Victoria Delsoul]

When I woke the next morning I was hopelessly in love with the Blessed Virgin Mary, and I knew that the God I had met on the beach was Christ, and, and that all I wanted was to be as much of, and as good a, Christian as possible. I still did not know anything about Christianity, nor the difference between the Catholic Church and any of the hundreds of Protestant denominations. It took me another two years or so to find my way to the Catholic Church, guided by my love and reverence for the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Wow, this is such a lovely story.

[NYer]

An experience of God that opens the writer to investigate New Age and Occult mysticism???

Read again his comment .... " .... which led me to a lot of blind alleys".

Step into his shoes for just one minute and try to imagine, as a Jew, such a 'mystical' experience at a point in your life when you were not practicing any religion. No doubt the first question on his mind was "why me"?

Added to this is the striking lack of any reference to the Gospel - which ALONE is the power of salvation, or conviction of and turning from specific sin in his life.

The Gospel? He was a Jew!

His book Salvation Is From The Jews , was written after his full conversion and exhaustively references both the Old and New Testaments. You won't find a better analysis of the Book of Romans!

Here's a challenge. Pick up a copy of his book and read it; you'll learn a lot about your christian faith, all based on Scripture.

Oh, BTW - Mary is not dead! She's as alive as you and me. Roy Schoeman met her :-)

[Campion]

Added to this is the striking lack of any reference to the Gospel - which ALONE is the power of salvation, or conviction of and turning from specific sin in his life.

What a disappointing comment. Have you read his book? Of course not. How many other people have you judged and condemned on such flimsy evidence?

[NYer]

Roy Schoeman was interviewed tonight from 11.00 p.m. Indian Standard Time to 11.30.p.m. I.S.T. on a Program on E.W.T.N. called the "Carpenter's Shop" which I thoroughly enjoyed.

How comforting to know that EWTN is telecast in India!

God bless Mother Angelica!

Roy Schoeman has appeared on Marcus Grodi's program "The Journey Home" (I'll send you a link to the audio file tomorrow - I'm on dialup at home). He has also appeared with Doug Keck on EWTN's program "Bookmark". Have you read Mr. Schoeman's book, Salvation Is From The Jews? Given your interest in the Jewish heritage of the Catholic Church, you will definitely enjoy it.

I have a huge interest in the welfare of the Maronite Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, and the Assyrian Catholics. I usually pray every night whenever I join my family for the Rosary for the protection and welfare of all these Ancient Catholic Groups-- I consider them our elder brothers in the Catholic Christian Faith.

Indeed they represent the ancient roots of our faith and desperately need our prayers. I consider them the "martyr" Churches. They have been persecuted since the beginning. Despite the scars and deep wounds, they have all remained faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The Maronites (as well as the Melkites) were staunch defenders of the Council of Chalcedon. The monks of St. Maron took the lead in preaching the true doctrine and stopping the propagation of heresy. The monks describe their activity in a memorandum sent by the priest Alexander, who was head of the Monastery to the Bishops of the region. This memorandum was inserted in the acts of the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople in 553.

In a letter addressed to Pope Hormisdas in 517, monks of St. Maron address the Pope as the one occupying the Chair of St. Peter, and inform him that they are undergoing many sufferings and attacks patiently. They single out Antiochian Patriarchs Severus and Peter, who, they say, anathematize the Council of Chalcedon and Pope Leo, whose formula the Council had adopted. The Maronites are mocked for their support of the Council and are suffering afflictions. The Emperor Anastasius had sent an army that had marched through the district of Apamea closing monasteries and expelling the monks. Some had been beaten and others were thrown into prison. While on the way to St. Simon Stylite, the Maronites had been ambushed and 350 monks were killed, even though some of them had taken refuge at the altar. The monastery was burned. The Maronites appealed to the Emperor in Constantinople, but to no avail. Now, they appeal to the Pope for deliverance against the enemies of the Fathers and the Council. They exclaim: "Do not therefore look down upon us, Your Holiness, we who are daily attacked by ferocious beasts. . . . We anathematize Nestorius, Eutyches, Dioscorus, Peter of Alexandria and Peter the Fuller of Antioch, and all their followers and those who defend their heresies." The letter was signed first by Alexander, priest and archimandrite of St. Maron. Over 200 other signatures follow, of other archimandrites, priests and deacons. The importance of the Monastery of Bet Maroun is evidenced by Alexander's name leading the list of delegates.

Read Roy Schoeman's book, Salvation is From The Jews and when you are finished, pick up a copy of Raymond Arroyo's book: Mother Angelica. You will be stunned and amazed at what she endured to bring EWTN to you, tonight, in India. She is a future saint.

[NYer]

My favorite part of his story is that in the dream he asked Mary what her favorite song was. She told him but he couldn't understand the language so he memorized it phonetically and wrote it down phonetically the next morning.

Thanks ... I had never heard this before. Siobhan would have appreciated hearing this as well.

[Jaded]

Most excellent book. Read it first.

[NYer]

Thanks for the post! How are you feeling? You are on my mind and in my prayers. Hang in there, okay!

[PetroniusMaximus]

"What a disappointing comment. Have you read his book? Of course not. "

I was commenting on the article.

[A.A. Cunningham]

You were flapping your gums, as usual.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"You were flapping your gums, as usual."

No, I was offering a challenge to a murky sounding "spiritual experience" that lacked several significant Biblical elements.

Are you suggesting that we accept the "mystical" stories of every person that comes along???

[onedoug]

I had no understanding of the relationship between religion and morality, particularly sexual morality.

This guy's nuts.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[PetroniusMaximus]

"which led me to a lot of blind alleys"

Apparently this revelation of Jesus was not sufficiently informative to put him on the right path. (But the revelation of Mary was?!?! - what rubbish.)




"The Gospel? He was a Jew!"

Yes, NYer, the Gospel. The Jews do not have another way to salvation besides the Gospel. It is the Gospel - not "mystical" encouters with "Mary" that has the power to save.




"Oh, BTW - Mary is not dead! She's as alive as you and me."

Call it what you will, but Mary is in heaven. She is no longer among the living, breathing humans on earth.