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To: ralice; xzins

If Intelligent Design is not science, then science is not the search for truth and is therefore not science.


14 posted on 01/18/2006 3:51:21 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

"If Intelligent Design is not science, then science is not the search for truth and is therefore not science."


But ID isn't about "searching for truth". It's about saying "An Intelligent Creator waved his magic wand" when an IDer encounters something currently unexplainable, rather than trying to figure out the cause of the unexplainable.

Fortunately, most human minds aren't satisfied with such childish answers.


18 posted on 01/18/2006 3:55:47 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: BlackElk
If Intelligent Design is not science, then science is not the search for truth and is therefore not science.

If my garlic-clove pasta is not science, then science is not the search for truth (or good eating), and is therefore not science (nor good eating)....

21 posted on 01/18/2006 3:59:05 PM PST by ralice
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To: BlackElk
"If Intelligent Design is not science, then science is not the search for truth and is therefore not science."

Well let's see.

ID states and believes that, "the laws of physics are insufficient to govern the world and a fifth force is required to direct all the others to account for various phenomena." That is not science.

Proof:

ID uses the laws of physics to make some calculation. The ID guy swears his logic is OK and his math likewise. The output of his calculation says, "the result of the calculation can't explain the observaitons."

There are then 2 remaining possibilities, because he swears his model is good:

1) The model is missing some knowledge and understanding.
2) The model is right, the physics are 100% correct, that's all the physics there is, and there's a 5th force.

Take your choice:

The laws of physics are not sufficient and you abandon science to arbitrarily inject and define the 5th force, else they are and you stick with science, admit ignorance and work harder.

Now you claim with your logic, that making the 2nd choice is the correct one to walk the path to truth. Here's what God says about the matter.

Matthew 12:38-39
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you."
He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

God is clear here, that there is no sign, other than the Holy Spirit. IDer magic notwithstanding.

57 posted on 01/18/2006 10:24:01 PM PST by spunkets
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To: BlackElk

"If Intelligent Design is not science, then science is not the search for truth and is therefore not science."

YES!

Those who hate the concept of "God" love to invoke the word "science" as though it meant some narrow doctrine of belief, rather than the search for truth.

Funny, that. It's as though they're the ones with a rigid, narrow set of beliefs...


164 posted on 01/20/2006 4:09:17 AM PST by little jeremiah
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