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To: P-Marlowe; ksen
The fact is that if you come to Christ you are a winner. Do you deny that? You have been chosen by Christ.

I absolutely deny that. I came to Christ a loser, and remain a loser. I am only a winner insofar as Christ, through his grace, made it possible for me to cooperate with his grace.

If you don't come to Christ, you are a loser. Do you deny that?

Those that reject Christ are no more "losers" than those who do. This is Pelagianism - not the phony Pelagian spectre that some paranoid Calvinists see lurking behind every Wesleyan, Pentacostal, or Catholic, but the real deal.

17 posted on 01/16/2006 7:07:08 AM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24; xzins
This is Pelagianism - not the phony Pelagian spectre that some paranoid Calvinists see lurking behind every Wesleyan, Pentacostal, or Catholic, but the real deal.

I hope you misread what I said in ignorance and not in dishonesty. I did not say that God has chosen you because you are a winner, I said that you are a winner because God chose you.

You did exactly with my statement what the author did with Smith's.

18 posted on 01/16/2006 7:13:27 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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