Synergism & Freewillism Commonly Taught in Modern Pulpits

Monergism ^ | John Hendryx

[ksen]

Is there any point at which GOD did not know everything? If there is, then that god is not GOD.

I don't think the fact that God knows everything is in dispute......unless we are dealing with Open Theism.

The question is....WHY does God know everything? WHY does He know the end from the beginning?

[HarleyD]

"God chose you in Christ."

How come I hear a gumble, gumble under this.

If man has a "God given right" to make a decision then there is no reason to pray for Joe because God will not tramble on Joe's rights.

I suppose the gumbling may be the best I'll get.

[ksen]

But He does not comple us to use them.

Who said anything about "compelling?"

God doesn't compel, He changes our hearts so that pleasing Him is the desire of our heart.

[xzins]

Because posturing is part of the dance...as was the posting of this thread and the responses to it and the sniping at each others' positions.

Sheeesh....Fru....you're such a square dancer. You know all of this. :>)

There is no time that God would act ignorantly, and there is no time that God would be uninformed when acting.

[xzins]

It is not possible to say that God knows because God planned, because then you can posit an instant in which God did not know.

He has always been God.....always omnipoent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

God elected me in Christ.

[ksen]

Since when does clay have a choice to yield or not?

Lumps of clay do what lumps of clay have always done, laid there under the potter's hands.

[xzins]

Do you mean grumble or gamble or what....serious question...

[ksen]

It is not possible to say that God knows because God planned, because then you can posit an instant in which God did not know.

Then you would posit that we are just as eternal as God is?

It does not follow that because God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent we have eternally been in God's mind.

[xzins]

Are you suggesting that there IS a point at which God did not know everything?

[Gamecock]

God elected me in Christ.

Because he knew you would cross the finish line, or according to the purpose of His will?

[Gamecock]

Are you suggesting His will is a knee jerk reaction based on foreseeing the future?

Or is he in charge and directs all of history?

[ksen]

Are you suggesting that there IS a point at which God did not know everything?

Nope, God has always known everything there is to know.

Your turn:

Are you suggesting that we have eternally been in the mind of God?

[ksen]

Are you suggesting that there IS a point at which God did not know everything?

The Scriptures describe Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, not the Lamb slain from eternity past.

[HarleyD]

Grumble....

Your remark seemed a bit terse.

[Frumanchu]

It is not possible to say that God knows because God planned, because then you can posit an instant in which God did not know.

Does God's knowledge include that which He plans?

[presently no screen name]

.....Since when does clay have a choice to yield or not?

Us being the clay, we choose to yield.


......Lumps of clay do what lumps of clay have always done, laid there under the potter's hands


We either choose to lay there, total submission, and have the Potter do His work, or we choose to lay there and 'think' we are just fine the way we are - our thoughts. God doesn't force anything on us. We accept Him with our heart, mind, body/ everything within us, total submission, we accept Him with our mouth only, or we don't accept Him at all. He said be hot or cold, but if you are lukewarm, I will spew you from my mouth.

[Gamecock]

One small issue with your thoughts on this subject:

In this passage, the potter/clay analogy has to do with God's purpose of election. Not us doing his will. His purpose will stand, regardless of what we do....

This passage is used to rebuke those who will protest God creating some for a Holy purpose, and some for a vessel of wrath.

[presently no screen name]

His purpose



His purpose is ALL be saved. He is no respector of person. He choose ALL but not ALL accept Him. It's with our freewill we either choose Him or don't. He gave us freewill because He is not a manipulator. Humans manipulation to gain someone's love, not God, for His is pure love.

[xzins]

You don't know why he elects....other than that it is "in Christ."

Of course God's in charge of all history and He directs all of history, but even you Calvinists say that the sinner has free will.

You just say that the sinner will choose sin. Do you mean that or not?

[xzins]

If God has always known everything, then He has always known of me.